Woman's Hour now: BBC walking away from Stonewall

I read this thread before listening to it, and it still exceeded my expectations! I kept making amused woofing noises f

It felt like Emma was so pleased to be able to finally address this. I think I've become a fan girl 🤍💚🦕💜

Starting a bit on this on weekend WH now...

Ooo just heard this. Go Emma!

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CWK0doTggMe/?utmmedium=copyy_link

Emma has clipped up the ‘pregnant people’ pause and posted on her Instagram, supportive comments so far

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BBC NEWSWATCH 03:53 minutes in shows public messages about the BBC leaving Stonewall. Lisa Buchanan's message is good. No-one from the BBC available to comment but they hope to cover it soon.
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0011jfc/newswatch-12112021

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ppuuulllllll

exwhyzed

EB: why is the emperor not wearing any clothes?

BBC guy: ..... [shiiiiiiiit] mmmm, we're trying to decide how to discuss it with him without him having a huge tantrum. But don't let on you know that we know that you know that we know. But we know and we are trying to find him some clothes without alerting him or drawing any more attention to the fact we've been letting him wander about the place in the nuddy.

Here's the Times report on this if anyone wants it

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbc-quits-stonewalls-diversity-champions-scheme-to-be-squeaky-clean-072c8fxqj?shareToken=c153cb116918d0213e9eec1564e01a90

From the telegraph article.

The outcome remains uncertain. In future, this moment may be seen as the beginning of a righteous movement which opened society’s eyes to obvious injustice. But it may be regarded as an astonishing yet mercifully fleeting aberration, a period when, gripped by some delusion, we came to view gender not as objective biological reality but as subjective spectrum.

They mean sex of course, not gender. But either way, they need to start talking about gender as a series of sex role stereotypes. And how they play into things like AGP.

As much as they are criticising Stonewall and talking about homosexuality being redefined, they don't appear to have cottoned on to the fact that transvestism is also under the umbrella.

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.md/2021.11.11-211708/www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2021/11/11/stonewall-won-everyone-lost/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">archive.md/2021.11.11-211708/www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2021/11/11/stonewall-won-everyone-lost/
Archived Telegraph article

Sorry, I was replying to nauticant, but got interrupted so posted quite late.

My point was only that the search is really worth doing, just to see how many stories there are. No judgement on the Mail as a source, other than to acknowledge that their reporting on this issue has been good, regular and consistent. The pressure on Stonewall is in so many directions. And the pressure on organisations still signed up to Stonewall must be increasing. I am hoping that corporations like Barclays, who happily jumped onto the Pride bandwagon with all sorts of rainbow symbols, will start to realise, that though people support equality, knee jerk virtue signalling is not buying them the brand enhancement they were hoping for.

Oh. Sorry, Needmoresleep, I probably didn't make myself clear on this. I didn't mean to barrack the Mailonline about this piece (Though maybe it's a little less precise than I'd like?), they have done a sterling job, as you point out, of keeping this issue in the public for a good few years now. I just wanted to make a note of the fragrant Mr. Hunte's involvement in the unlikely event that no-one else had noted it..

The way things are going the Stonewall story could still be active as the hearing approaches. A lot of journalists are now primed to pick up on a very juicy addition to the unfolding saga. It wasn't supposed to be like that.

Someone on another thread was asking for material about Stonewall as negative stuff tended to be deboosted by Google. I suggested searching by Mailonline Stonewall, as they have been good at reporting various news stories and court cases and don't use a paywall. The search results are extraordinary. A story every 2/3 days. The BBC, the FCA, the FCDO, and and and. Maya and the other brave people taking them to court.

My guess is that over the past few years the Mail, like MN, has had plenty of complaints about "transphobia" with efforts to curb their reporting. its push back time. I don't think they will stop until there is a major roll back. The Mail will be motivated by freedom of press concerns, but they will also see that this issue resonates with their own readership.

[quote FannyCann]Oh dear. Seems quite a lot of BBC workers are about to discover no one is indispensable and jobs with prestigious organisations may not be quite so easy to find just now.

BBC staff vow to QUIT over plans to end Stonewall relationship
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Just had a look at this - thanks FannyCann - and amongst all the unattributed waffle (which in fact was what made me suspect the author in the first place) was the legend " according to Vice World News". Click on the link, and sure enough it originates with ex BBC failure Ben Hunte..

(Not to suggest that he's got previous filing undocumented sensationalist propaganda stories or anything...)

Good point nauticant re Allison Bailey's case.

Just listened to it. Emma Barnett is fantastic - clear, direct and unflinching.

The Telegraph is good.
Boris takes his lead from them.

Thanks, Alek and Embarrassing for the archive link and tip. Yes, the Telegraph has had quite a few good articles on this issue recently (and not just the ones by Suzanne Moore). Not at all sure how I ended up reading the Times and the Telegraph, appreciating the Daily Mail and avoiding the Guardian though (I would do a shocked face emoji here if I could work out how).

I can remember when a company I worked for decided to go for ISO9000 accreditation. They employed an organisation to help achieve this.
That company went right through every department, disrupting work, insisting on training, documentation re-writes - it went on for about a year.
When a director found his staff re-writing the photocopier manual, they pulled the plug on the company and launched an investigation. The CEO of the rogue company turned out to be a good friend of another director...
In the end, they achieved accreditation by taking over another, already accredited company - but that's another story!

That's simultaneously hilarious, scary and all-too- predictable...

My flabber is truly gasted, however, by the BBC chap implying that stating that only biological women can get pregnant is part of a highly sensitive and complex debate rather than a fact.

TRA plan A: No Debate

TRA plan B: Whether men can be women is a highly sensitive and complex debate