Academic Freedom, Harassment and GC academics - ask me any questions

I like that suggestionsplease1 has the bollocks confidence to challenge Jo Phoenix

Women prisoners being raped when males are placed in their prisons are 'anecdotal data' with 'limited scientific value'? And are not evidence of a negative impact on women?

Can you give some examples (hypothetical since you seem to believe they don't actually exist) of what you would accept as 'evidence'? If women being raped don't count as evidence of a negative impact, what does count in your view?

@suggestionsplease1 - it’s highly disingenuous to make that kind of comparisons with race, since you’re intentionally glossing over the fact that the structural analogy doesn’t work.

“White oppressor vs non-white people” very clearly does not map onto “female oppressors vs the non-female oppressed”. It’s been pointed out many times that this analogy which presents women as the oppressors of men is not only is highly offensive in terms of its racial politics, but rather obviously and glaringly shows up the falsities of that position.

No doubt you think it’s a very clever analogy, but as I recall Murray’s book was freely available in bookshops, reviewed in the press, and widely debated as an argument - I recall a PSE lesson in secondary school in which we were asked to debate and disprove the claims in it - since in those days people regarded controversial opinions as things to be disproved by rational argument, not mass hysteria and cancellation.

Professor Phoenix, you're an absolute legend! I'm getting my gardening boots on

What evidence have you found that this has had a negative impact for women in these countries?
Please could you clearly define what exactly you mean by 'women' in your question, and what dataset could be reliably referred to to delineate this group?

As a distinguished professor I am sure that Jo Phoenix will be aware that anecdotal data, whilst unfortunately persuasive to many in the general public, and used to justify discrimination, has very limited scientific value.

I am sure she places emphasis on rigorous and robust endeavours to investigate point 8.:

What evidence have you found that this has had a negative impact for women in these countries?

And I'd like to know what evidence has been found.

8. What evidence have you found that this has had a negative impact for women in these countries?

You'll find plenty of evidence of negative impacts on women in these countries on threads on here.

You could start with this one:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

Also search on here for anything to do with women's prisons in Ireland, Canada or California.

For example:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3746471-Defence-lawyer-says-that-the-Gender-Recognition-Act-has-placed-the-State-in-an-impossible-position-with-regard-to-transgender-prisoners

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3756852-Correctional-Service-of-Canada-transgender-prisoners-housed-in-womens-prisons

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4212959-Inmates-say-guards-have-warned-them-that-men-are-coming-and-to-expect-sexual-violence

Hi Jo, thanks for posting this AMA.

I've got some questions relating to academic freedom that you are talking about and clearly feel is being restricted right now.

Historically some academics at universities have explored very controversial topics and have cited scientific evidence and freedom of speech to do so. These topics have included things like race and intelligence, race and criminality etc. The academics exploring these issues have claimed, when students turn their backs on them during lectures (eg Charles Murray, co-author of The Bell Curve, when lecturing at Vermont Uni), that people are simply not comfortable with the truth.

1. Do you see any parallels with your own situation?

1. Do you feel it is right for Charles Murray to be given a platform by universities?

1. Do you think students who protested peacefully when Charles Murray arrived at their lecture hall had any right to do so?

1. Do you think the students who peacefully protested were guilty of bullying Charles Murray?

1. Do you feel that the students of ethnic minorities were right to feel concerned about the subject matter that Charles Murray wished to discuss in his lectures?

1. Do you feel that the content could have lead to increased general public discrimination / harassment of ethnic groups?

1. Does it matter if it did lead to increased public discrimination / harassment of ethnic groups?

I am sure as an academic you will place a great deal of importance upon research and evidence. As you will be aware several countries have adopted gender recognition processes based on the principle of self-determination, and these have been in place for several years now for some - eg, Ireland, 2015.

1. What evidence have you found that this has had a negative impact for women in these countries?

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Fucking hell, that’s amazing

Delighted to see how well this is going.

I’ve donated Jo, keep going, we’re with you.

Thanks for coming back to us Jo, we’re with you 💪🏻

Over £43,000 in 24 hours!

I often keep the tab open for these crowd funders as it cheers me up no end to read the heartfelt comments by so many people horrified at the bullying and intimidation of women by the usual suspects.

I'm with you, Professor Phoenix.

for you Jo. We’re with you all the way X

£40,796 from 1657 donations! That's an average of £24.62. When a certain vulpicidal windbag starts blathering on again about funding from the Heritage Foundation or whatever it is, he could perhaps reflect on this.

Over half way there now. Thank you for your bravery.

Jo just popped on to message you support

Support you Jo and any other women in your position.

Donated, thanks Jo

Thank you so much Jo! I've just donated x