Nicola Sturgeon shouts “shame on you” to Tory MSP who mentioned last week’s demo

They come from, sexism, misogyny, principally from abusive and predatory men

Well, she got this bit right at least.

So why then, Nichola can’t you see the unintended consequences of self ID in potentially enabling more of this? There’s a conversation to be had. And if it’s all a misunderstanding, and we’re wrong, that can very quickly be cleared up.

I'm confused to why Nicola thinks that just because something unjust is happening to women across the Atlantic in Texas that means that women in Scotland should have no single sex spaces away from male people?

Male sex offenders being welcomed into in female prisons in Scotland isn't going to change what happens in Texas. We now just have two atrocious and misogynistic laws happening instead of one.

What is not valid? Is it not valid to feel destroyed by being raped by a male on a secure mental health ward? Is it not valid to know that any chance of sporting success is gone because you have to compete against men? Is it not valid for women and girls not to be victims of sex offences by known sex offender? Not valid to be concerned by lack of representation on public boards?
As we know rapes, sex offences, destruction of sporting chances etc are real outcomes I can only presume NS thinks it is not valid to object to them.

So we should focus on the real threats to women, not the threats that, while I appreciate that some of these views are very sincerely held, in my view, are not valid

How can you talk about real threats to women if you can’t explain what ‘woman’ means?

So I suppose all the victims in this thread are "not valid". Because presumably by making a statement like that Nicola has done her research. Right?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

Nicola Sturgeon believes our concerns are ‘not valid’?

Not good enough Nicola. Time to start having some open and honest conversations.

We need evidence based solutions and clear definitions in order to protect everyone’s rights. Perhaps legislation could even be based on facts rather than feelings?

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"- I really don't think Mhairi Hunter is helping the situation, tbh. Someone take the shovel off her."

No leave it her. The more light on SNP hypocrisy the better.

Agreed. They really are showing themselves up this week.

Not valid.

It’s disgraceful.

' “There's been two public consultations. We have listened very carefully.

“But you know we had a manifesto commitment to move forward with this.

“Gender recognition reform is about changing an existing process to make it less degrading, intrusive and traumatic for one of the most stigmatised minorities in our society and I think that is a good thing to do.

“It does not change in any way shape or form, legal protections that women have - and that's something that's very important to me as a lifelong feminist.

“We shouldn't forget there are big threats to women's safety and women's rights.

“They come from, sexism, misogyny, principally from abusive and predatory men, and we see lawmakers in other parts of the world, Texas, for example, trying to take away the right of women to control their own bodies [with an effective abortion ban].

“So we should focus on the real threats to women, not the threats that, while I appreciate that some of these views are very sincerely held, in my view, are not valid.” '

'However Ms Sturgeon also suggested that, with some SNP ministers uneasy about the change, there could be a free vote at Holyrood on it, rather than a whipped one. '

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19571909.nicola-sturgeon-dismisses-concerns-gender-reforms-not-valid/

'You're wrong, but we won't tell you why.'

That's going to go down well.

WEP and SNP seem to be in lockstep for their solution being "We'll engage in on-going discussion and re-education of wrongthink even if it leads us into defending the indefensible because that's how committed we are."

Yes. That’s it. Silencing women is not the way sturgeon should be doing it

'Women's concerns on GRA "sincerely held" but "not valid'

In which case NS / the Scottish Government will have no issue in setting out simply and clearly the answers to women's concerns. That really is all they have to do and this whole problem will go away. The problem is they can't ...

• I really don't think Mhairi Hunter is helping the situation, tbh. Someone take the shovel off her.

Article in the Scotsman, MP John Mason calls for 'civilised' debate.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/gender-recognition-act-reform-both-sides-of-the-debate-need-to-learn-not-to-hate-each-other-gina-davidson-3377645

I’m guessing this will be her demise.

It seems SNP has determined that Godley is redeemed:

I believe in redemption. I don't believe anyone deserves to be "cancelled" if they understand what they got wrong and try to improve. Often, those people become the most effective advocates for progress and decency.

twitter.com/MhairiHunter/status/1435937457065897989

Plus: twitter.com/MhairiHunter/status/1435898134924861442

I'm sure Sturgeon would love to restrict voting to SNP members only.

Sturgeon is on record as seeking to widen the franchise for Indyref2 to include people born in Scotland but resident outside it.

Perhaps she might try to go for vice-versa while she's at it to disenfranchise any uppity Edinburgh-based authors?

Nicola Sturgeon on Good Morning Scotland today:

'Women's concerns on GRA "sincerely held" but "not valid'

twitter.com/wornoutmumhack/status/1436232096067035140

At the time of legislating for the original GRA, there was however adamant insistence that the law North and South of the border must be identical in order to avoid any issues. Hence both Acts were identical when passed.

The Scottish one has since been amended to remove the spousal exit clause. Transwidows in Scotland no longer have its protection.

You are all right of course that cross-border issues will make this blow up big time - it's simply unworkable to have self-id enshrined in law in Scotland while this does not happen in England. I expect that a reformed GRA would be found unlawful on judicial review given the fact that a unilateral Scottish reform would see Scottish women see their rights under the Equality Act infringed in a way that English women would not.

(Not that being told their intended law would be unlawful has ever stopped this government.)

So far as your actual legal point- I have covered that. Holyrood can't rewrite English legislation. It's not even a case of it being a reserved matter. It would be an interference with the law of England and Wales.