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Why are schools getting the blame for boys harassing girls?

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EastWestWhosBest · 10/06/2021 16:07

Surely we need to ask some very serious questions about how boys are being brought up and more to the point the accessibility of porn.

Girls asked for nudes by up to 11 boys a night, Ofsted finds www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-57411363

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cansu · 10/06/2021 17:10

I thought exactly the same OP. Why are schools the problem because boys are behaving in this way. It is a societal problem. Schools have no control over what boys do with their phones outside of school. It is down to parents of teems to monitor and check their kids messages and to teach them about respectful relationships. Schools teach this curriculum but are not responsible for everything a teen does outside of school.

Enough4me · 10/06/2021 17:06

As a mum of a secondary age DD & nearly secondary DS I have had age appropriate conversations with both on consent issues and think parents should talk about this openly. Neither of mine are likely to have serious relationships nor sex anytime soon (DD legally could soon), but the subject shouldn't be hidden away.

I'm not sure all parents do though and I would like the schools to support the message of consent and appropriate conversations/ banter etc.
Better if it's a group effort?

stumbledin · 10/06/2021 17:00

I think schools are in an impossible position. They seem to be expected to take over a lot of roles that formerly a family / local community.

Wouldn't it be nice if children arrive at school and be ready to be taught subjects that teachers are trained in.

Maybe the problem is about parents who should be going for some sort of education plust of course the fact that the media, not just social medica, but music film etc., is by and large a product of men, many of whom are little better than Incels.

I dont see how in a school day teachers are meant to reverse the indoctrination of young people that is going on by readily available unregulated sources and parents who either dont care, or cant see the problem because their child/ren makes sure they dont know what they are actually thinking and doing.

Its not the same, but every discussion about knife crime is always about our young people. But nobody will talk about the male culture (often imposed on young boys) that is the breeding ground.

What are we going to do about how (some) boys are growing up?

OldTurtleNewShell · 10/06/2021 16:57

Blame, no but they do have a responsibility for the children in their care and far too many just brush off serious sexual harassment with 'boys will be boys'.

noblegiraffe · 10/06/2021 16:55

The link is about a report of what's happening in schools

It's not. The most serious things in the report are happening out of school - on social media and at parties/social gatherings.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 10/06/2021 16:53

Because all too often the school staff are complicit in blaming the girls.

The following link is distressing: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3364173-Our-kids-were-raped-by-classmates-DfE-wont-listen

PaleGreenGhost · 10/06/2021 16:46

The blame does not wholly lie with schools, of course.

But we've seen examples of some of the sex education resources schools have bought in here and they contained stuff that really can't have helped. Apologies for not remembering which specific resource packs these were from but some examples were : the dice game matching up body parts and actions, so pupils rolled and got such gems as "anus" and "lick"; drawing your sexual fantasies to share with your down-with-the-kids trainer; a chart with different levels of body modification, with "shaving", moving through "piercing" and ending on "fgm" ; penises can be female and big clits and small dicks look identical etc.

Problems with the above examples are: normalising sexual talk with adult strangers in a way that goes beyond what is educational - this strays dangerously close to grooming; normalising porn-influenced practices - problematic because porn is 99% male pleasure centred; teaching children that there is no difference between women and men and therefore obscuring the huge misogynist power imbalance between the sexes and preventing boys from knowing they need to do better and girls from discovering that the shit they endure is endemic and not their fault after all and that they don't need to feel shame.

Piggywaspushed · 10/06/2021 16:29

Blame isn't the right word, really OP. But I do agree that schools often end up with a heavy burden of responsibility to address, and even mend, things with no budget and minimal training.

Thelnebriati · 10/06/2021 16:24

What makes you think schools are getting the blame? The link is about a report of what's happening in schools, so of course it focuses on what schools can do.

This isn't a new problem. The Govt has failed to act. The education minister has failed to act. Many schools seem to tolerate a culture of mobile phones use and open sexual abuse. Many parents seem to think its ok to give their children smart phones and internet access.

There was a court case threatened against Justine Greening for failing to provide schools with any guidance, the case was supported by the EHRC. I think nothing came of it because Greening left the post of education minister.