Starmer and the Labour Party Really Cannot Read the Room

Imho society is going through change. New divisions are being formed and we seem to be importing, full throttle, ideology from the US that cannot be squeezed into the UK (I don't think it can be squeezed into the US either). In the 60's there was a large change taking place, but that could be argued in terms of demographics - the boomers had grown up. This time there doesn't seem to be that kind of impetus so the only explanation is that our institutions have been dragging us, without knowledge, into areas we haven't yet agreed to. Labour has got on board with the 'no debate' and in a country like the UK this is a big no go area. George Galloway and his ilk are neither here not there in the grand scheme of things. So Labour need to work fast and furious to get their ducks in a row because the electorate do not forgive easily and no amount of debate will prevent the decline in Labours fortunes unless it can take a serious look at itself, in all areas.

George Galloway is repulsive but if he said the sky was blue would you declare him to be wrong?

George Galloway is without principle or honour. If your find yourself thinking George Galloway 'has a point' or is the answer to anything, then the question needs re-framing.

If you don't believe me, just look at what Kate Leadbetter is being subjected to.

And then remember that Jo Cox was murdered by a far-right fanatic and a teacher has received death threats.

And George Galloway has parachuted into Batley and Spen to try and provoke volatility. A volatility he will walk away from, secure in the knowledge he need take no responsibility for the after-effects (that others will have to live with and deal with), it all just serves to raise his profile.

It is truly unprincipled behaviour.

Really, George Galloway is never the answer.

I think that there is a difference between labour ignoring women and labour seeking to silence a moronic, deliberately devisive, racist, misogynist bigot billionaire puppet cock-womble like Laurence Fox.

[quote Tesla73]George Galloway hitting the nail on the head here with his views on Labour and its obsession with trans & identity politics

www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/24/labour-has-ignored-its-voters-it-is-now-paying-the-price/[/quote]
And Labour continue to act like the stasi when it comes to free speech and wrong think

www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/24/why-is-labour-suppressing-debate-about-batley-grammar/

George Galloway hitting the nail on the head here with his views on Labour and its obsession with trans & identity politics

www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/24/labour-has-ignored-its-voters-it-is-now-paying-the-price/

Doubt anyone who opposes HS2 would vote for a party that supports it and has zero influence in Parliament.

I think they would as a protest vote in a by-election.

I cancelled my Labour Party membership a couple of years ago, and told them why - even though we had a good female MP in my ward, I won't vote for her as she is being cowardly about standing up for women - I won't vote Labour again until they stand up for women's rights to single sex facilities

I think the issues that caused a low turnout and anti tory sentiment run far deeper than the concerns you raised

The shine has come of Boris.

Yes.

The Lib Dems are dangerous and slimy.

The bye-election vote was highly influenced by the HS2 issue. Lib-Dems are FOR HS2. She won her seat based on 1. HS2 Nimbyism 2. Protest votes on other issues.

The government can and do bring forward legislation with or without any speakers approval.

Blaming Bercow, is completely shifting blame from those who are responsible and are able to change the situation.

The debate was after the fact of an government department having a policy which harmed women, after this harm had been demonstrated but before other male sex offenders had been moved tl a women's prison, before the trans wing which still allowed male sex offenders to mix with women. Of course it wasn't pointless, there was and is plenty of scope for the government to learn from Karen White and protect women.

Can I just point out that the Hone Office aren't responsible for prisons anymore. It's been the responsibility of the Ministry of Justice since 2005.

the debate was after the fact, rather pointless, as he had been moved by then.

the debate should have been before this man was imprisoned.

Bercow will be right at home in Labour.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396169-John-Bercow-sex-pest-ridicules-GC-Women-friend-of-Pink-News-Edward-Lord-who-refused-UQ-about-prison-policy-following-Karen-White-Case-Unconnected

It was Bercow as speaker who denied several MPs requests to debate a male rapist (Karen White) being put in a female prison with the predictable result for women he was locked up with.

John Bercow? Just how much bad luck does KS need (I loved him as speaker but I was a rabid remainer) but this isn't the kind of move to give confidence to those brexiteers in Batley & Spen.

I would have always put KS quite far left but the Unions don't. Maybe that's because the Unions want their man in charge. I have not mis-gendered, the unions are not pro women and any women elected as leader of the LP will be a puppet

This needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt as it is Lord Ashcroft for the Mail on Sunday, essentially an excerpt of his new biography of Starmer:

"The following year [1989] he accompanied the human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell by bus to a green socialist summer camp in France.

'He was a fellow Left-wing activist,' says Tatchell. 'He struck me as very intelligent, passionate and committed to a radical vision of what Britain could be. He was well to the Left of Neil Kinnock, but he combined radicalism with pragmatism. He was quite in advance of Labour thinking at the time.'

Tatchell remembers discussing ideas with Starmer which were not considered mainstream in Labour circles in the 1980s. 'Both he and I were already thinking about the potential of Europe-wide collaboration between socialist parties, trade unions and civil society groups to advance a progressive agenda.

This went against the grain of traditional Left-wing hostility towards what was then the EC. Keir was very strong on human rights. He also embraced new ideas on feminism, ecology and LGBT+ rights when some in the Labour Party – even on the Left – were still quite hesitant.'"

I had not realised that Starmer has only been in Parliament since 2015, albeit following a distinguished legal career specialising in human rights.

For those with an appetitive for such things, the link is

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9704171/Keir-Starmer-caused-hard-Brexit-arrogant-refusal-accept-referendum-biography-claims.html

There are a few critical articles about Starmer in the Mail today, including one about his line on anti-Semitism which seems unsavoury. The knives seem to be out. I assume they are as a prelude to the upcoming by-election. His days seem numbered.

I note Bercow has now joined labour because they reflect his values. Am I alone in thinking that this seems true but not in a good way?