Girl guiding

Has femme EVER been used as a biological term?

Thanks for pointing this out! I've used femme in the same way as female in this context because it can be seen as a very biological term !
But for anyone curious, here FEMME = FEMALE

Huh?

GG board has been brainwashed, captured. They need a strong leader to bring it back to girls, just girls. With safeguarding a priority for all. Or else it will fold. Very sad if it did, but their own bloody fault for not standing up for their girls.

They're not allowed to be a "femme only space" that would be illegal discrimination as the Equality Act recognises people without GRC as their biological sex and children don't have GRCs you can't say "only girls who present as a stereotypical view of girls, plus some males who also do" can join.

Unless they are a girl of course

Indeed!

What stands out for me in the joint statement is:

'Our ambition for diversity and inclusion is for Girlguiding to be a place where everyone is welcome, is free to be themselves, and has an equal sense of belonging – whoever they are and wherever they’re from.'

Compare that with Stonewall's statement on Twitter:

'At Stonewall, we stand for all LGBTQ+ people and imagine a world where LGBTQ+ people everywhere are free to be themselves and can live their lives to the full.'

FFS! What is wrong with the world?!

I don't know anything about the editor, but don't forget you can be trans AFAB, identity as male but still choose to have a feminine gender presentation. Just because you can.

Ironically she couldn't be a leader. She's a woman but she doesn't identify as one. Not very trans inclusive, hey?
I have pointed this out to her.

The dictionary definition of femme is feminine presenting, gay or straight, male or female.
That really isn't the case in GG

Also if their digital editor is 'trans AFAB' then surely they don't qualify?

I think they've missed the point of GG by many miles.

I don't think I would describe GG as a femme only space.

GG is a 'femme-only space'

WTF.

That thread by GGs 'digital editor' is a classic example of how TRAs use charities to further their own personal demands. Not a word about the charity and its aims, or the client group - girls. Not a scintilla of interest. It's all about the individual and how they will use the charity to further their narcissistic demands.

It's enraging to see charities used like this. It happens repeatedly and charities are so captured (or scared) that they dare not challenge anyone - including their own staff - who openly use the name, status and wealth of the charity for their own narrow egotistical ends.

Yes, that was it. And sorry. John Bercow.

twitter.com/greengranma/status/1043851862519291905

GG's new Digital Editor says GG is a 'femme-only space'

twitter.com/lowietrevena/status/1397605655868018695

''Some people have been curious as to why I'm joining Girlguiding as a trans/non-binary person!! It has been a massive part of my life as an AFAB person and I want to continue to make it more accessible, inclusive and diverse
I can't sum up my feelings about this particularly eloquently, but they are a truly trans-inclusive organisation (as a femme-only space) and I would never work for anyone less. Read through this if you're still curious: girlguiding.org.uk/making-guiding
And this hasn't changed!! Girlguiding have ALWAYS welcome trans women (and queer women!!), it's in their policies! they have put SO MUCH more on the website (and in their members' info) since I left, but even when I did, they STILL had info about trans members of the organisation
I know it could seem strange! But staff members of all genders are welcome!! men can be volunteers !! uniformed organisations are INTERESTING (I'm sure i'll go into this another time) but HOT DAMN i would not be working for a charity that doesn't fully support trans people
Last one!! I cannot tell you how much i want to help organisations like Girlguiding be better, and this is something that this charity is open to being (better, I mean)! more reading for you on this lovely Wednesday: girlguiding.org.uk/about-us/diversity-and-inclusion/''

Veterans of this board will remember the GG trans policy first being formed.

This is what Glinner has to say about Aimee Challenor’s involvement. As I recall, Challenor rose to become vice Chair of Stonewall’s trans advisory committee. Their father had a strong interest in the Boy Scouts before receiving a long prison sentence for shocking child abuse.

“Girlguiding denies that any input from Aimee via Stonewall influenced this policy change but Aimee was on the Trans Advisory Panel when the advice was given. Aimee appeared to emphasise his connection to Girlguiding by posting a photo of himself with a Girlguiding donators’ badge in 2019.”

And on p22 of this important thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3314566-another-girlguiding-update

was pombear’s post

“And yes, many of us remember that HoC panel 'advising' GG that included Jane Fae and Pips Bunce. Two middle-to-late-age males who have defined themselves as women, either 'full-time' or 'part-time' advising GirlGuiding.

Both Jane Fae and Phil have daughters.”

I remember seeing a photo of a meeting discussing GG inclusion policy at the Speakers house when John Brecon was speaker, including Pips Bunce, city banker and part time woman, but can’t immediately find it.

I can see guiding becoming far smaller and this being blamed on covid when there are of course all these reasons. Noone logged our reason for leaving for example