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School newsletter tells girls how to bind

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ErrolTheDragon · 09/05/2021 07:56

There's a piece in the Times today ... parents not happy at the content of a newsletter produced by the 6th formers

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nonsuch-high-school-sixth-formers-told-girls-11-how-to-bind-breasts-k7slvrbkr?shareToken=a84af706d3b638e2ea3d2d53ea04e29d

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R0wantrees · 09/05/2021 10:11

From what I've read of the newsletter (assuming there isn't a page missing) it doesn't tell girls how to bind breasts. The thoughtless error was providing links to sites that include that information.

'Queer Questions' problem page invites children to ask questions of VI form pupils. Included is, "How do I bind safely? with links provided by way of response.

School newsletter tells girls how to bind
2fallsagain · 09/05/2021 10:09

@toffeebutterpopcorn

I would assume there was a group of ‘cool kids’ who have created this. Maybe a teacher was involved (the school needs to check them closely).
The school have defended it.
toffeebutterpopcorn · 09/05/2021 10:07

I would assume there was a group of ‘cool kids’ who have created this. Maybe a teacher was involved (the school needs to check them closely).

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 09/05/2021 10:03

If you falsely team issues around transgenderism, homosexuality and sexual freedom it is much easier to denounce critics as not just transphobic, but homophobic and almost as bad in the eyes of some "progressives" - prudish - bigots. "It's only info for the kids who might be doing this sort of thing anyway" - wtf teenage girls having chemsex and enjoying fisting?! Seriously. The fact this world view is now so entrenched that sixth formers are blithely creating newsletters for children at their school with all of the above is really worrying.

R0wantrees · 09/05/2021 10:03

VI form pupils in all girls' school indoctrinate younger children about GRA referring to ILGA as source. Including misrepresenting the spousal exit clause which primarily protects women and their children.

recent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4215949-ILGA-Feminist-Declaration-Stonewall-Lowering-the-age-of-consent-to-10

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4205956-Unite-Unions-and-Many-Other-LGBT-Organisations-Lobby-Government-to-Lower-the-Age-of-Consent

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4217390-Times-article-about-Age-of-Consent-Stonewall-Alba

December 2019 Spectator James Kirkup on Denton's report:

'The document that reveals the remarkable tactics of trans lobbyists'

(extract)
"The report is called 'Only adults? Good practices in legal gender recognition for youth'. Its purpose is to help trans groups in several countries bring about changes in the law to allow children to legally change their gender, without adult approval and without needing the approval of any authorities. 'We hope this report will be a powerful tool for activists and NGOs working to advance the rights of trans youth across Europe and beyond,' says the foreword.

As you’d expect of a report co-written by the staff of a major law firm, it’s a comprehensive and solid document, summarising law, policy and 'advocacy' across several countries. Based on the contributions of trans groups from around the world (including two in the UK, one of which is not named), it collects and shares 'best practice' in 'lobbying' to change the law so that parents no longer have a say on their child’s legal gender.

In the words of the report:

“'It is recognised that the requirement for parental consent or the consent of a legal guardian can be restrictive and problematic for minors."

You might think that the very purpose of parenting is, in part, to 'restrict' the choices of children who cannot, by definition, make fully-informed adult choices on their own. But that is not the stance of the report. (continues)
www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

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saraclara · 09/05/2021 10:03

The media (surprise surprise) are not reporting this fairly. From what I've read of the newsletter (assuming there isn't a page missing) it doesn't tell girls how to bind breasts. The thoughtless error was providing links to sites that include that information.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 09/05/2021 10:02

@Floisme

I don't really expect a sixth former to see what's wrong with promoting those links to 11 year-olds. They're children / barely adult themselves. It's the school that's at fault.
I agree

If the recent poster is in the 6th form they will be at the most 18years old

2fallsagain · 09/05/2021 10:01

@saraclara

The newsletter itself seems intelligent and informative to me (at least the bits I've been able to read). The links however, are a step too far. No way should 11 year olds be pointed towards some of those sites.
The friends of Dorothy describe lesbians as non men being attracted to non men. So no, not very intelligent or informative. In fact utterly sexist and homophobic rubbish.
Helleofabore · 09/05/2021 09:58

@Chdhzhzh

I am a sixth form student at the school. I haven't read much of it, I don't think there is anything wrong with it, they have just put links to other website they haven't explained it themselves and it's such a tiny part of the newsletter just a little box with links. At the end of the day it's just providing information to those who need it. Thanks for asking.
Do you understand the premise of safeguarding children ?
toffeebutterpopcorn · 09/05/2021 09:57

I wonder what other newsletter are sent out? About ecology or politics? Hobbies or music? Or just the latest trends?

Helleofabore · 09/05/2021 09:57

I have just typed ‘effects of breast binding’ into google to look for ‘images’ of damage etc.

The only thing that comes up is pictures of happy people with their binders, and how to bind guides.

So I changed it to ‘negative effects of breast binding’ and looked for images and got..... the same images.

The harm of breast binding seems to be treated either by explaining ways around it, or by accounts of how for many the pros outweigh the cons. I fell down a few rabbit holes of teenaged females discussing how it didn’t matter to them because they were set on mastectomies anyway.

Google is no girl’s friend, it seems just the opposite.

Floisme · 09/05/2021 09:57

I don't really expect a sixth former to see what's wrong with promoting those links to 11 year-olds. They're children / barely adult themselves. It's the school that's at fault.

saraclara · 09/05/2021 09:52

The newsletter itself seems intelligent and informative to me (at least the bits I've been able to read). The links however, are a step too far. No way should 11 year olds be pointed towards some of those sites.

Chdhzhzh · 09/05/2021 09:51

I am a sixth form student at the school. I haven't read much of it, I don't think there is anything wrong with it, they have just put links to other website they haven't explained it themselves and it's such a tiny part of the newsletter just a little box with links. At the end of the day it's just providing information to those who need it. Thanks for asking.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 09/05/2021 09:46

I guess they have friends on twitter...

R0wantrees · 09/05/2021 09:45

There is something rather awry with teaching when teenage girls at a grammer school in Surrey appropriate the experiences of US gay men, especially in military in 1980s.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend_of_Dorothy

School newsletter tells girls how to bind
yetanotherusernameAgain · 09/05/2021 09:43

The newsletter has a positive article about asexuality, so it's not all bad.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 09/05/2021 09:40

In the olden days, kids talking about sex - especially practiced that would have been available from specialist places in soho - and social services would be interviewing the parents. But an 18 year old can distribute this to an 11 year old (or in my case, 10 when I started high school)?

2fallsagain · 09/05/2021 09:38

@OnoAnotherNC

I have no idea what chemsex is (don’t fancy a google) but I cannot understand the mentality of sending a leaflet promoting anal sex to children at all. I consider myself quite liberal and open minded but I was pretty shocked by that.
Here you go. Just the thing children need to learn about.
School newsletter tells girls how to bind
OnoAnotherNC · 09/05/2021 09:27

I have no idea what chemsex is (don’t fancy a google) but I cannot understand the mentality of sending a leaflet promoting anal sex to children at all.
I consider myself quite liberal and open minded but I was pretty shocked by that.

AfternoonToffee · 09/05/2021 09:26

I clicked on the friends of Dorothy link. This is the insightful information.

Lesbian - put loosely non-man attracted to non-man.

FightingtheFoo · 09/05/2021 09:25

@Chdhzhzh

Sixth form student at the school here, the school uniform policy is not that strict, there is only a small number of teachers that ever say anything and the policy itself isn't that strict.
You're a sixth form student at the school that created this newsletter?

What did you think of the newsletter?

toffeebutterpopcorn · 09/05/2021 09:21

Section 28 was regarding teaching of LGB - the rest of the crowd have managed include themselves - cheek, stealing others’ struggles.

Chdhzhzh · 09/05/2021 09:20

Sixth form student at the school here, the school uniform policy is not that strict, there is only a small number of teachers that ever say anything and the policy itself isn't that strict.

blueangel19 · 09/05/2021 09:15

They are celebrating and embracing this as there is not tomorrow. I would say encouraging a bit too much.

This will have serious repercussions because teenagers are not mentally mature to take such decisions.

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