Britain's youngest trans child

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind

Perhaps I should reword that as saying their explanations why they believe the child are based on stereotypes.

I agree what they are actually saying is so much deeper.

@Bumblebeeanddog Oh the pocket thing pisses me right off. Now I'm older I do occasionally wear a dress (still only very occasionally mind you) but the biggest bonus ever is when you find a dress with pockets :')

Bloody hell, I was the only girl with 3 brothers, I wanted to be a boy when i was 4 too, it seemed like more fun and the clothes were a lot more comfortable, I had many battles with my mother at that age about wearing dresses. I would have been transed nowadays

If a child's gender identity is so easily influenced, how come he said he felt like a boy after being so heavily "gendered" as a girl since birth

Pushback because they don't want to wear dresses that aren't practical and pretty shoes, that aren't comfortable. My daughter never wanted to wear those things either. Clearly heavily gendering the child has had a negative effect. Just let children be children. No need to identify them as trans, no need to push them down a transitioning pathway. They've got years to figure out what they want, if only adults would step back and let them in their own good time.

Because really what the family are saying is the child does not conform to stereotypes, nothing more , nothing less.

No the family are not only saying that the child doesn't conform to stereotypes, they are saying that the child never identified as female, they are saying that the child knew their gender from as young as 18 months.

If they wanted to say that the child does not conform to stereotypes they would say 'our daughter does not conform to harmful gender stereotypes and has interests that would be seen as being stereotypically male'. They would not be calling their daughter to their son, and wouldn't be pushing for referrals for unnecessary medical intervention.

'Let Toys Be Toys' campaign

"We believe that play is an intrinsic part of child development and can help shape long-term attitudes and ambitions.

When toys and books are narrowly divided into ‘boys’ and ‘girls’ or by pink and blue, we risk limiting the possibilities and interests of our children."

www.lettoysbetoys.org.uk/

"How we started
Let Toys Be Toys is a grassroots campaign that formed off of a thread on parenting site Mumsnet, which brought together parents frustrated by the increase in marketing to children that pushed narrow stereotypes, especially ‘girls’ and ‘boys’ signs in the toy aisles. One evening, over a dozen participants decided to take action and the campaign was born."

Great to see so interesting links there Shizuku. Particularly with the focus on social transition rather than medicalised transition for under 18s. Particularly in light of the news of the changes in Sweden.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4236343-The-main-clinic-in-Sweden-stopping-puberty-blockers-for-under-16-yr-olds

and this article, looking at the bone density issues caused by puberty blockers.

www.transgendertrend.com/puberty-blockers-effects-bone-density/

It does reflect the findings of this study you kindly linked us too previously stating that females who have puberty blockers, then cross sex hormones, never quite 'remake' much of that loss.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6709704/#S5title

Of course, we have discussed this and there is a large number of women who were diagnosed puberty blockers for precocious puberty who are building their class action in the USA all reporting bone density issues, and joint issues. Some have teeth falling out.

So, I am really pleased that you have focused on social transition.

However, I didn't see any about how to diagnose a 4 year old as being trans? Do you have anything covering how this would be actually done?

Sounds like my sister. She wore a dress when I got married (under sufferance) and has to my knowledge worn one since. That was almost 30 years ago.

Our parents just let her get on with it.

A have a 15 year old girl who refused to wear skirts or anything pink from age 4, massive preference for ‘boys’ clothes, toys etc. An awkward puberty where she swathed herself in huge bulky joggers and sweatshirts, and then this year suddenly requested a school uniform skirt. This weekend she bought her first dress.
Expressing personal identity is one thing, encouraging such a significant change at such a young age --and plastering it all over the press-- is quite something else. Why can we not let children be children?

If a child's gender identity is so easily influenced, how come he said he felt like a boy after being so heavily "gendered" as a girl since birth

I don't believe in gender identities.....and what i think has happened here is that the parents have treated the siblings very differently, even if subtly and unconsciously. This is clear in the expectations around appropriate clothing or play activities or interests.

The child wanted to be like their male sibling; receive that sort of attention and physical touch; not be constrained by having to 'be pretty' and wear stupid pig tails ( which can hurt the scalp when they are put in). the child does not know that this is what 'gender is' - but simply knows they don't like it and want to be treated like the sibling.

Young children just do not have such concepts or mental constructs; identities are formed out of environmental and familial factors.

In that family girl = pretty dresses and shoes that she can't get dirty ( no doubt); hair pulled painfully into pig tails etc; and 'boy' just seems far more preferable - plus the child gets to be just like the twin sibling, which is what twins tend to want.

The child will grow up and realise - I suppose - and be bloody angry.

Hell I’m still pissed off that my parents decided to get my (very long) hair cut when I was little because it was a pain in the backside when I went swimming.

Wow poor child.

Should be classed as child abuse to transition this child

"If a child's gender identity is so easily influenced, "

Children aged 4 and under don't have a "gender identity" in the way that some adults and older children report. Their sense of self is developing and an awareness of what sex they are and that there are two sexes is part of that development. Children at this age, as Erikrie says, are easily influenced by their parents, obviously so. It's their first and main influencer. How their parents respond to their interests and opinions will be reflected in how the child develops. The environment the parents provide will influence the development of the child. The parents have set up an environment for this child where everything they want to do or are interested in is labelled as "for boys". It's not hard to figure out why the child wants to be put in the "boy" category as a result.

Why can't the child just have short hair and dress in trousers without medical intervention.

As a society I agree we do stereotype from an early age with colours, toys , play etc .

If those stereotypes were removed presumably this should would not be considered trans ?

Because really what the family are saying is the child does not conform to stereotypes, nothing more , nothing less.

Mum mum I want a biscuit - uhuh
Mum mum I want a toy dog - Uhuh
Mum mum I want to wear the green trousers - Uhuh
Mum mum, that dog just spoke to me - Uhuh
Mum mum, when I grow up I’m going to be an astronaut - Uhuh
Mum mum, Jamie says that her dad has a rolls Royce - Uhuh
Mum mum, that wasn’t me that put the cat in the washing machine - Uhuh
Mum mum, no I didn’t just draw in the wall, a bad boy came on and did it and ran away - Uhuh

These are just a few examples of the type of crap that small children come out with on a minutely basis.

These parents really aren’t used to small kids are they?

It’s child abuse. These parents are forcing a damaging ideology ina child who cannot possibly comprehend

Deflection - a poor one.

Nope. Not deflection. Fact

Children are not "cis"

Michael Conroy article:
On ‘Cis’ [sic] – and why it’s not ‘being nice’
(extract)
"The idea that there’s a coherent ‘cis’ identity is rationally/ logically/ historically untenable. The gold-standard does not exist in reality. There is NO absolute / permanent model of ‘masculine man’ or ‘feminine woman’ against which one can measure one’s perceived alignment. Everything about gender is subjective, dependent on one’s idiosyncratic exposure to myriad examples, models, iterations, dominant and less dominant modes of expression. It is UN-measurable, UN-quantifiable and ineffably UN-’Cis’-able.
If ‘Cis’ can’t live in logic (which it can’t) then it can ONLY exist as an ideological or affective statement of in-group allegiance." (continues)

...As a man I support these women in this and reject the impossibly sexist ‘cis’ [sic] label myself, entirely and emphatically. How could I — doing the work I do in striving to delegitimise and challenge sexist beliefs in boys and men — do otherwise? Men who accept the notion ‘cis’ are doing so for a variety of reasons — mostly underpinned, by the privileges and entitlements we derive from living in a deeply sexist culture but which we rarely bother — or wish — to see.
Brothers — think about it."
manatwork68.medium.com/save-draft-1d26e5dbeba6

IMO the parents are not being kind they are actually making their life more difficult 😞 IMO a of course

Yes, they are setting the child up for a life of confusion and possible mental health issues.

If a child's gender identity is so easily influenced, how come he said he felt like a boy after being so heavily "gendered" as a girl since birth

Children are very pliable. Likely, considering the parents response at age 4, that the parents have had a lot to do with this, either intentionally or unintentionally. Their reasons for thinking their child is a boy are unusual. These are simply normal child development stages. It's not to say that the child won't be trans as an adult. But the evidence they provide is not evidence that they are.

I dread to think what she might go through as a teen and a young adult to become a man, only to possibly realise when it's too late that she really was female after all.

How well can this end that her parents are so invested and so public with this? You can only be ‘the youngest’ (category) for a short time. Then what?
I really hope they’ll keep her out of the public eye after this. Kids need privacy and freedom from adult political agendas.