The main clinic in Sweden stopping puberty blockers for under 16 yr olds

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Wandawomble Tue 04-May-21 22:39:08

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Wandawomble Tue 04-May-21 22:39:31

Is there already a post about this anywhere?

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nauticant Tue 04-May-21 22:56:53

Interesting. Not only does it cite the Bell decision as having had considerable influence on this policy change by Karolinska, but also says that there will be a continuation for under 18s currently being treated, thus also following the Good Law Project decision.

The UK (in the form of E&W courts) really is leading the world in this, that is now that the adults have come into the room.

WoolOfBat Tue 04-May-21 23:00:53

I haven’t seen it. It is too late to translate the entire post (am off to bed).

Basically, a Swedish government institute was tasked to write a report about gender dysphoria in children.

The report found no evidence about the long term effects of the treatment with puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. The report found no reason for the increase in patients at the clinic. The report found further that puberty blockers / cross sex hormones (unclear exactly which for what in the Twitter) increased the risk of cardiovascular disease, of blood cloths, osteoporosis, certain cancer types and also could cause infertility.

The statement further references the Keira Bell case.

In the light of all that, puberty blockers and cross sex hormones will not be given to children below 16. There will be a huge amount of hoops to jump through to treat 16-18 year olds. All children below 18 will still be able to access other psychiatric and psychological care.

Argh!! I just saw that one page was in English. Oh well.

Summary above. And link to the Swedish institute report it refers to.

The report is In Swedish but has an extensive list of references in the back (123 studies/articles). It also has a long list of excluded studies and reason for exclusion. Most articles are in English - as are the reasons for exclusion.

It is a very comprehensive review actually. A neat document.

Wandawomble Tue 04-May-21 23:03:02

See also the article in Medscape I’ve just posted

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WoolOfBat Tue 04-May-21 23:04:34

In order to access the actual report

Click on the orange/yellow button ”läs publicationen” (read the document)

Then click on the orange/yellow button “ladda ner” (download)

HecatesCatsInFancyHats Tue 04-May-21 23:05:30

Placemarking, thanks OP!

unwashedanddazed Tue 04-May-21 23:31:29

Keira Bell's case has had an amazing effect internationally. It feels like gender identity services and those working in young peoples' mental health have welcomed being able to divert from and challenge the trans orthodoxy.

rogdmum Wed 05-May-21 06:55:20

This is fantastic news- I’m starting to believe people are finally waking up to the fact that we’ve been sleepwalking our way into a medicalised path.

NecessaryScene1 Wed 05-May-21 07:05:36

The push back in Sweden is well advanced - they've beein running alongside the UK for a while, thanks to the SVT Trans Train documentaries.

At least for the child treatments, I'm don't know about the wider philosophical/feminist pushback on the ideology.

Links to the Swedish Trans Train documentaries (among lots of others) over in this thread.

persistentwoman Wed 05-May-21 07:07:20

A small step to sanity and protecting children. Finally the lack of ethical standards and effective research in this area is being exposed - and it needs to be shouted from the rooftops!

WoolOfBat Wed 05-May-21 07:15:44

I would recommend looking at the link to the report written by the Swedish government institute. It is a great read (unfortunately in Swedish) and it is heartening that the Swedish government ordered it done.

I only skimmed it briefly, and didn’t come across that much new to the more involved readers of this board. However, the list of references is very interesting (most in English) and it is a also great summary over all reports/studies that were excluded and a brief note on why next to each study.

I think it may be a good place to start if anyone wants to give a comprehensive overview of the research in the area.

Apologies if more such documents are out there. I quite liked this and it has the extra credibility of being commissioned by a government and written by a government institute.

Quincie Wed 05-May-21 07:17:02

Great news.

WarriorN Wed 05-May-21 07:18:01

Good news, placemarking

NecessaryScene1 Wed 05-May-21 07:18:41

It's notable that the Swedes still seem to be serious. That was obvious from the documentaries. The people at the clinics seemed open to the possibility there could be a problem.

In the UK and US institutions seem to be stocked with people who have backed themselves into an ideological corner and are beclowning themselves.

Helleofabore Wed 05-May-21 07:19:14

It is like Kiera’s case has given permission for other health organizations to review the evidence and decide that there really is no evidence.

I think we are seeing the realisation that the whole house of cards never had solid foundations because they (whoever they are, and of course, there are some insightful articles about ‘who’) decided to effectively experiment on children as a live demonstration.

Well. The longitudinal ‘experimental’ results are obviously now coming in.

The Karolinska will hopefully have kept much better and more accurate records for their treatments. They are adding their voice to the shitshow that is the record keeping of the NHS.

I think there should be many horrified people when they realise a small group of people laid a trail of ‘best practice’ recommendations across the world that were completely unfounded, and got away with it.

And by not questioning, those who should be horrified, were complicit in that spread and implementation.

toffeebutterpopcorn Wed 05-May-21 07:23:01

How will they stop children ordering these online from unscrupulous ‘clinics’?

WarriorN Wed 05-May-21 12:43:27

The people at the clinics seemed open to the possibility there could be a problem.

Not just the clinics; the trans identified people at the trans charity were also very concerned at the numbers of yp identifying as trans.

MrGHardy Wed 05-May-21 13:47:16

I wonder what TRAs will come up with to slander the Swedes now, a country so progressive that they initially happily jumped on the bandwagon as one of the earliest, but changed stance after evidence, or lack thereof, was investigated.

FindTheTruth Wed 05-May-21 16:50:55

This is huge. and the Swedes have a model for other countries to follow. agree with all the comments about the impact of Keira's case.

FindTheTruth Wed 05-May-21 18:12:58

For those between 16 and 18, these treatments may only take place within a clinical study. Full disclosure and assessment must be made. all able psychiatric and psychological care. (hope this therapy not 'affirmation only')

This is the basic minimum needed.....

I mean, much more is needed of course, but as a minimum, as a start medical professionals have a duty....

AlwaysTawnyOwl Wed 05-May-21 18:39:17

At the end of this article there is a link to the document in English

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