Woman exposes herself in car park ...

@LubaLuca it is really really really unlikely that the flasher in the report was a woman. I'm sorry it happened to you but it's as rare as hens teeth.

Statistics are going to be skewed against what we previously knew was the sex committing the overwhelming majority of sex crime.

[quote EmbarrassingAdmissions]I would hope that when the details do come up during the actual trial they will be reported accurately and in full.

Judging by similar and graver cases, the answer is no (but it might depend on what you consider to be accurate or in full). You'll find the reports of some trials and news stories in this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread[/quote]
I was thinking particularly of naming the body part so exposed. Having done that the public can draw their own conclusions.

Woman shows penis in supermarket

I'm now imaging one of those product stalls with give-away samples - pieces of penis on toothpicks.

The flashing your breasts in public thing- I’ve seen lots of (what I assumed at the time to be men) topless in the street in summer.

I’ve not asked their gender identity so maybe they were women.

And social media that has policies for male and female nipples, do they check if there’s a she/her he/him in the person’s profile? Would it make a difference?

I would hope that when the details do come up during the actual trial they will be reported accurately and in full.

Judging by similar and graver cases, the answer is no (but it might depend on what you consider to be accurate or in full). You'll find the reports of some trials and news stories in this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

Chucking on a dress does not a woman make.

[quote blackwhiteandstripey]@MidsomerMurmurs

Yes, if they played by their own rules they could even report "person arrested for exposing their penis" or some such.

But they don't even know what rules they are playing by.

There's a lot of harm that will need to be undone from years of this nonsense reporting. [/quote]
I would almost prefer them to say "woman arrested for exposing her penis" because it will cause men reading the headline (who hitherto will hardly have paid any attention to this debate) to sit up and go "what the hell is this shit?" and they may start reading further around the topic.

And as Maria MacLachan discovered, misgendering the person found guilty of attacking you will lead to the refusal of the judge to offer you compensation because of the “bad grace” you showed in not referring to your attacker by their preferred pronoun.

And all without public consultation or transparency. Stephen Whittle (a prime mover of GRA 2004), amongst others, openly admits that it's remarkable how easily all of this went through with private talks and privileged access to officials.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397127-Stephen-Whittle-Press-for-Change-irresponsible-use-of-likely-suicides-follows-Helen-Belchers-Trans-Media-Watch?pg=4

So what is the best way to complain about the laying reporting going on here? To the paper concerned, the owner, in the same paper?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rape-suspects-can-choose-to-self-identify-as-female-vfl678tg6

In Scotland not just flashers can be treated as women but also rapists!

Why on earth would a public body like the police record crimes by self-identified gender/sex? Why don’t they have appropriate categories: man / transman / woman / transwoman / natal [whichever sex], identifies non-binary?

They have specific enough ethnic origin categories. Why do they want to fudge this data?

Temp023

"Dear God, if flashing your Willy in a supermarket car park doesn’t mean you lose your right to be considered as a woman, then I really have lived too long!"

Exactly! That is male pattern offending. A genuine transgender person would not go around flashing the bits they were born with, because they would wish to present as a stereotypical woman. There are so many things wrong with this case, the reporting, the recording of the crime, the intention to leave out the most important facts.
We sould be able to trust in the police, the courts and the press should be held to higher standards and scrutiny.
At the moment they are all failing.

she had a wee and a little wank

Off-topic and [merail] In a recent thread, several women confessed that they had always thought that they passed urine through the vagina and this belief persisted even after giving birth. I've seen variations on this comment various times from men on Twitter who believe it's a common passage for both activities.

It's only just struck me, that as Criado Perez might say, that feels like a very default male model of looking at things, doesn't it? Perfectly sensible people who've had an education that touched on this at some point, are nonetheless convinced that men have a shared function bodily part for urine/procreation and although it's different in women, women have a single bodily part with a shared function. [/merail with apologies]

I don't know how government and the 4th Estate can reconcile the need for records and clarity with this deliberate misreporting and misleading language. We saw the farce of that when the ONS was facing a judicial review about the census.

Surely the inclusive (hmm) thing to do would be for news organisations to refer to a “penis haver” exposing themselves in a car park? I mean, not all women have penises, after all.

Very good point!

I expect any child seeing an exposed erect penis being waved about will be instantly comforted and detraumatised by the obvious explanation

“Don't worry dear, she’s a woman, it’s a lady penis so incapable of doing harm even though a man showing an erect penis to a child or a woman is a non verbal threat of sexual violence so you need to be aware of the difference. I expect in this case she was feeling a bit warm under her lovely lady garments so needed to take out her penis to cool it down. And while it was out she had a wee and a little wank. Yes, it was a surprising thing to see in a car park, and no it’s not the sort of thing natal women do, mostly because they don’t have penises, but also because they don’t need to use their genitals to demonstrate their misogyny, their feelings of sexual dominance and to intimidate strangers . ”

Surely the inclusive (hmm) thing to do would be for news organisations to refer to a “penis haver” exposing themselves in a car park? I mean, not all women have penises, after all.
Agreed. If we're expected to accept being reduced to vagina havers, (that auto corrected to haters!), let it work against them as well.

I would say it's generally men, I've had three men expose themselves to me all in isolated situations where I felt intimidated. I once had a woman expose themselves to me and half the street. She was smashed after a night out and was flashing traffic. It wasn't intimidating it was concerning tbh.

I'd read that article as man.

[quote blackwhiteandstripey]@NecessaryScene1
@Temp023

They have this all wrapped up now. The current party line is "women can have penises".

So, they see no problem with this. Just a deviant woman. NATWALT you know. [/quote]
But then of course we have the references to “vagina havers” etc that have been discussed here (before the threads got deleted ). It’s just the sheer cognitive dissonance around this that gets me.

Surely the inclusive () thing to do would be for news organisations to refer to a “penis haver” exposing themselves in a car park? I mean, not all women have penises, after all.

The closest I've come to exposing myself in a supermarket car park is a ladder in my tights.