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Maya Forstater’s appeal - discussion thread 2

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Sophoclesthefox · 28/04/2021 16:40

I see the last thread filled up, but there might still be enough to discuss as a round up of the afternoon’s events to keep going into a second thread.

Thread one here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4228233-Maya-Forstaters-appeal-skeleton

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CardinalLolzy · 28/04/2021 16:45

And please please if you're going to comment - read the documents that explain what is being argued. Some here:
hiyamaya.net/employment-appeal/

Live tweets were by SexMatters on Twitter.

Myths and truths about the original case last year: mforstater.medium.com/five-myths-and-truths-about-my-case-8466d69f9489

What is at stake with this appeal:
mforstater.medium.com/what-is-at-stake-18a8da1af6b7

" Is a belief that biological sex is real, important, immutable and not to be conflated with gender identity so beyond the pale that it is ‘not worthy of respect in a democratic society’?

Should anyone who holds such a belief be ‘required’ in all circumstances to suppress its expression for fear of causing hurt or offence to trans people, and instead be ‘required’ to use the language of sex and gender in a way that is contrary to that belief, on pain of dismissal or discrimination at work for which the law will afford no remedy?

As they (under)state, my belief — that sex is real and important — is “widely-shared”.

I believe that sex is real and that sex matters. It is important to be able to talk about biological sex and the ways in which men and women are differently affected by political, societal and cultural choices and policies.

This is not inconsistent with believing that the rights of people not to be discriminated against for being transsexual must be respected."

Sophoclesthefox · 28/04/2021 16:42

I’ll start. I was reading through the submission from the EAT (here: hiyamaya.files.wordpress.com/2021/04/eat-skeleton-final.pdf) and wondering how much of it was taken out yesterday by the acknowledgment that Grainger criteria V was met/ was not for the EJ to opine on the validity anyway. Would be interested in further discussion on that, still ploughing my way through it.

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