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Maya Forstater is entitled to her views, but anti-transgender beliefs don’t belong in the workplace

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Trixie78 · 27/04/2021 20:54

I don't even know where to start with the inaccuracies in this article. It's making my blood boil.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/maya-forstater-rowling-trans-b1838137.html

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TinselAngel · 27/04/2021 22:02

@Scepticaltank

twitter.com/MulreadyMolly/status/1387049053750382621

Here's the other author completely misrepresenting the case in a tweet.

Surely all of us who have a protected characteristic under the Equality Act are already protected from discrimination?
Scepticaltank · 27/04/2021 21:59

twitter.com/MulreadyMolly/status/1387049053750382621

Here's the other author completely misrepresenting the case in a tweet.

NotBadConsidering · 27/04/2021 21:54

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ListeningQuietly · 27/04/2021 21:54

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R0wantrees · 27/04/2021 21:50

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SunsetBeetch · 27/04/2021 21:42

@Tibtom

I would rather a man have tbe right to say women are intellectually inferior to men than for him to be sacked for saying so and have his livelihood destroyed. If he can say it then I can argue with him. If he can't say it then his anger and sense of righteousness is likely to destroy us both.
Hell yes.
TinselAngel · 27/04/2021 21:39

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BrizzleGirl · 27/04/2021 21:35

@HermioneWeasley

Let’s not give it clicks. Let’s just ignore and revel in the fact that it’s very likely that tomorrow knowing humans can’t change sex and that sex and gender identity are not the same thing, will be a protected characteristic, and we can’t be fired for it.

What an amazing gift that will be to all the women who’ve been afraid to speak out. Thank you Maya!

Yes indeed!

GreyhoundG1rl · 27/04/2021 21:33

@TinselAngel

I may have accidentally maligned you Don't you know who I am?! Grin
I do now Grin
Erkrie · 27/04/2021 21:31

Yes no doubt the 'author' is looking for feedback here.

Let's hope they will be disappointed when the judgement comes in.

GreyhoundG1rl · 27/04/2021 21:31

Sorry, sorry, Tinsel said all you women. I'm easily confused...

TinselAngel · 27/04/2021 21:30

I may have accidentally maligned you
Don't you know who I am?! Grin

Scepticaltank · 27/04/2021 21:28

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GreyhoundG1rl · 27/04/2021 21:26

@TinselAngel

Possibly I should have done a winking emoji...Wink
I may have accidentally maligned you...
TinselAngel · 27/04/2021 21:22

Possibly I should have done a winking emoji...Wink

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R0wantrees · 27/04/2021 21:19

current thread (with accurate commentary of the case)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4228233-Maya-Forstaters-appeal-skeleton

Tibtom · 27/04/2021 21:19

I would rather a man have tbe right to say women are intellectually inferior to men than for him to be sacked for saying so and have his livelihood destroyed. If he can say it then I can argue with him. If he can't say it then his anger and sense of righteousness is likely to destroy us both.

GreyhoundG1rl · 27/04/2021 21:18

@HermioneWeasley

Let’s not give it clicks. Let’s just ignore and revel in the fact that it’s very likely that tomorrow knowing humans can’t change sex and that sex and gender identity are not the same thing, will be a protected characteristic, and we can’t be fired for it.

What an amazing gift that will be to all the women who’ve been afraid to speak out. Thank you Maya!

🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
R0wantrees · 27/04/2021 21:17

Molly Mulready is closely involved with Jolyon Maugham/Good Law Project's 'Trans Defence Fund' and was asked to set up its advisory group. This is primarily concerned with seeking to overturn the Judicial Review findings of Bell Vs Tavistock NHS.

nauticant · 27/04/2021 21:15

Looking at that article, and the Chicken Little response by trans activists on twitter today, I feel vertigo from the amount of mis- and dis-information that is being relied on.

Seeing how much promoting the gender identity ideology has to rely on lies gives me hope. Especially since when the discussion moves into a forum where the lies cannot be pushed, how tattered and ragged the ideology looks in the sunlight.

lottiegarbanzo · 27/04/2021 21:12

Me too.

R0wantrees · 27/04/2021 21:11

Previous thread, RobinMoiraWhite wrote,
"I have respectful debates about difficult discrimination concepts and the clash of protected rights virtually every working day. But it won’t be respectful if, when speaking or writing about me, you call me, as a trans woman, ‘he’ or deny my right to use the facilities society has decided I should have, such as my right to use the bathroom of my affirmed gender should I visit premises under your control?

How would that be different to the position adopted by a certain regime in Germany in the 1930’s that black athletes were held to be sub-human and should not be competing against white athletes?

There is an old expression. You make peace with your enemies, not your friends. Society has had to work out how to balance the gay/religious clash, and that is likely always to be uncomfortable as recent news about a school In Birmingham shows.

Trans and gender-critical is a similar clash of diametrically opposed views and we have to find a way to live on the same little island. That won’t happen by either side attempting to deny the existence of the opposing view or treating each other with the contempt, intolerance and confusion between fact and opinion reflected rather too frequently on pages such as these"
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3593037-Weve-never-believed-in-silencing-debate

SunsetBeetch · 27/04/2021 21:08

@lottiegarbanzo

The Indie has long since turned into a half online newspaper, half propaganda pamphlet on behalf of its owner's pet projects and causes, hybrid.
It saddens me how far The Independent has fallen. It used to be my favourite newspaper.
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