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Government launches call for evidence to improve health and wellbeing of women in England

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3beesinmybonnet · 06/03/2021 12:58

Just had this come up in my newsfeed:

www.gov.uk/government/news/government-launches-call-for-evidence-to-improve-health-and-wellbeing-of-women-in-england

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OvaHere · 08/03/2021 10:08

[quote Thimbleberries]Have you seen how this is being reported by the BBC? It's a "gender health gap" (although they do also refer to female and woman in the article). But you'd think the headline might be correct, as this is clearly one area where it's legitimately sex that matters, given that many of the conditions they are talking about are female-only. (The point about 'gender biases' might be different of course; I can see that there could also be issues like bias that affect anyone presenting as female etc).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56300404[/quote]
In this case I can sort of see why they'd use that. If you use the phrase 'sex health' it gives the impression you're only talking about STI's and such like. Although many people will see the word gender now and assume it's something to do with trans health. When language becomes a mess it doesn't help anyone!

Leafstamp · 08/03/2021 09:57

@3beesinmybonnet I think we've got all bases covered now really. Have a look at what one posted has commented here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/general_health/4185584-Share-your-experience-to-improve-women-s-health-government-launches-cause-for-evidence

Grin
3beesinmybonnet · 08/03/2021 09:52

I've just started a thread in Women's Health with the link to the government page in my opening post. I've no idea if that's a good place to put it for maximum views though. So if anyone has any better ideas of how to ensure as many mumsnetters as possible are aware of this please feel free to suggest or do them - I usually just lurk so lack experience when it comes to getting the best out of Mumsnet. Thanks

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3beesinmybonnet · 08/03/2021 09:12

Thanks @Leafstamp

The survey is now online with links for private individuals and organisations to respond:

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/womens-health-strategy-call-for-evidence

I will also start a thread with this link in my opening post to make it easier to find.

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HeadIsFucked · 07/03/2021 19:16

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Headsfucked. If men gave birth there would be no more children!
Haha, possibly. At the very least, noone would have more than 1.
ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/03/2021 17:59

Headsfucked. If men gave birth there would be no more children!

Leafstamp · 07/03/2021 14:10

I’ve just started a thread in General Health.

Will also help bump both threads.

Flowers to all those who’ve suffered through lack of care from health services.

Sophoclesthefox · 07/03/2021 14:09

Good thread, thank you. Fits nicely with the “reclaiming public spaces” thread, too, in that ability to access leisure resources plays a huge part in well-being.

I have a few personal hobby horses that I’d like to highlight in relation to health. The gold standard treatment for moderate to severe endometriosis is excision surgery, but very few women are able to easily access this.

The second is the disproportionate susceptibility of women to auto immune diseases, particularly after the menopause, and how frighteningly poorly these are understood and treated.

3beesinmybonnet · 07/03/2021 13:58

@Thimbleberries

Just checked and the government press release also refers to "gender" - 3 times. Whereas the word "sex" only appears as part of "sexual" and "sexuality", not as a standalone word. I think in this case the BBC have just followed the wording on the press release, so I'm going to let them off this time. It'll definitely be in my response to the government though.

@PurpleHoodie
I also intend bumping this thread regularly. I mostly lurk and learn on here, and only really post if nobody else has mentioned something. But I can bump threads and count words so that's what I'll do, and leave the big stuff to the experts, to whom I'm very grateful for all the hard work they do. I'll probably start a thread on one of the more popular boards as well for traffic, but I don't want to be accused of starting multiple threads on the same subject.

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HeadIsFucked · 07/03/2021 13:51

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

If men got cystitis there’d be a vaccine now😡
If men gave birth, a morphine drip would be standard rather than a fight for painkillers (and then the first thing given being..2 codeine!), and a team of plastic surgeons on tap for any birth related injuries. It would no way be the norm to just get 'oh, many women suffer prolapse, its normal, deal with it until it becomes enough of an issue to severely limit your life!'
boatyardblues · 06/03/2021 19:41

That’s shocking Johnny. Flowers

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 06/03/2021 19:22

Postnatal care is a huge issue, inc birth injuries, PNA/ PND and just support generally.

When I had my twins, they were in NICU and I was allowed to stay in as a visitor (which is great). But there was no care for me as I wasn't a patient. And I couldn't access community MW care as I was in hospital. So after giving birth, I had no aftercare - nothing - zero - no checking stitches, or blood loss, or mood, or anything, not even pain relief after 2nd degree tear.

After I got out, we took the twins for their 6w check. It used to be that 6w checks were for mum and baby. But the GP said they didn't see mums anymore, just babies.

I went back and made a separate appt when I could. I was worried I might have a prolapse. The dr's exact quote was "postpartum vaginas are messy and I don't know what I'm looking at' - but gave me antibiotics instead in case I had an infection.

And that appt is the absolute sum total of postnatal care I got from the NHS after giving birth to premature twins on a hospital floor with no pain relief or help.

EdgeOfACoin · 06/03/2021 19:06

she had previously been told she was practically infertile anyway

A few years ago I remember reading how there was a surge of women in their late 30s having abortions. Basically, the message has been hammered home for so long that women's fertility falls off a cliff at 35, a lot of women after that age haven't been bothering with contraception.

Given that 82% of women aged between 35-39 conceive within a year of having unprotected sex (which rises to 90% within two years), the constant banging on about the fertility cliff by the medical profession is actually quite irresponsible.

I'm not saying the average a 39-year-old is as fertile as a 21-year-old, but the message has been overstated.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 06/03/2021 18:25

Pre and post natal depression are constantly downplayed in how utterly debilitating and serious they are.

Birth injuries too.

Women's pain is always fobbed off even when our periods are so bad we can barely stand or the pain makes us physically sick it's 'just' a woman's issue. Something we have to get on with and shut up about (because men don't want to here about it)

PurpleHoodie · 06/03/2021 17:55

Let's keep this bumped for the next 3 months from Monday.

peak2021 · 06/03/2021 17:21

A cabinet where women are part of the senior decision makers would be a start. Almost all of the Covid 19 decisions have apparently been made by a group of male ministers, none of whom have older wives/partners.

3beesinmybonnet · 06/03/2021 17:16

Just noticed this right at the bottom of the government press release page:

"The call for evidence will run for 12 weeks from 8 March.

To amplify this, there will be 10 weeks of activity, including widespread social media with recognisable visual identity, partnerships with female-focused media outlets including interviews, roundtables with the minister and regular engagement with stakeholders."

So in theory it sounds like it will be well advertised.

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thinkingaboutLangCleg · 06/03/2021 17:03

Thanks!

3beesinmybonnet · 06/03/2021 16:18

I shall check for any links to a survey etc to fill in on Monday. If there aren't any I'll chase them up.

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KasparKat · 06/03/2021 15:45

It says it is running from 8 March so a link to how to respond may appear then. It is not open to responses yet.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 06/03/2021 15:39

I've gone to the website (a press release) and followed links. But I can't find any questions, or guidance on what they're looking for, or information on submitting evidence. The only download I was offered seems to be resources for staff.

www.gov.uk/government/news/government-launches-call-for-evidence-to-improve-health-and-wellbeing-of-women-in-england

The site says The call for evidence has been designed to be user friendly, quick to fill in and easily accessible from people’s mobiles. People who live with and care for women, organisations with experience of providing services for women and those with an expertise in women’s health are also encouraged to share their views.

It quotes Nadine Dorries saying I urge every woman, and anyone who cares for women, to feed into this call for evidence and help shape the future of women’s health.

The BBC story says From Monday 8 March, the Women's Health Strategy will spend 12 weeks speaking to female patients about a wide range of issues including maternity care and mental health.

But nothing about how to take part. Does anyone know?

Lowhum · 06/03/2021 15:13

I wish the Welsh Government would run a consultation like this.

Thimbleberries · 06/03/2021 14:27

Have you seen how this is being reported by the BBC? It's a "gender health gap" (although they do also refer to female and woman in the article). But you'd think the headline might be correct, as this is clearly one area where it's legitimately sex that matters, given that many of the conditions they are talking about are female-only. (The point about 'gender biases' might be different of course; I can see that there could also be issues like bias that affect anyone presenting as female etc).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56300404

PurpleHoodie · 06/03/2021 14:24

Down

A perfect example of what needs to be submitted.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 06/03/2021 14:20

@sagaLoren

totally agree.

This is slightly off on a tangent, but smacks of the same thing.

I have a close friend who was diagnosed with PCOS many moons ago. She was told in no uncertain terms that because of the state of her ovaries, chances of her conceiving were practically nil. She and her husband habitually used condoms anyway, as neither of them had any wish to be parents anyway. Shortly before her 40th birthday she found out she was pregnant. She did not want to continue the pregnancy, but met with all the same 'are you sure' type questions in the run up to the termination. Afterwards, she was basically taken into a room and given a dressing down for getting pregnant in the first place, then told in no uncertain terms that she wouldn't be leaving the premises without organising some form of contraception. She's no shrinking violet, but genuinely felt bullied and intimidated, so just played along. She explained that hubby was actually on the waiting list for a vasectomy, and while this was met with approval, the issue still wasn't resolved as far as the staff were concerned, so she was booked in to have a coil fitted. Coil was never inserted properly, gave her all sorts of pain and discomfort, her weight ballooned in the space of the two months it was in, her periods went haywire, and she's never been the same since.

It's the belligerence, the shaming for having the temerity to have an unwanted and unwelcome pregnancy, and the railroading to a form of contraception that she had never been comfortable with, even though her husband had taken practical steps to avoid conception himself, and she had previously been told she was practically infertile anyway. So much for pastoral care and empathy.