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Staniland Question is so good. Can we think of others?

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aliasundercover · 17/02/2021 11:10

The Staniland question:
Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?
is so clever. The fact that so many people refuse to engage with it - let alone answer it - means it's a quick, powerful, way of showing how ridiculous the TWAW position is.

Can we think of any others that would be as effective? Maybe we could come up with 5 or so really sharp questions that TRAs could refuse to answer. My first thoughts are something along the lines of:
Why is it racist to identify as another race but stunning and brave to identify as another sex?
I'm sure somebody can word that better.

So any suggestions? The questions need to be short and clear.

OP posts:
lalalalaloo · 17/02/2021 13:45

Should female people be able to gather as a group alone, excluding all male people?

mindtheclegs · 17/02/2021 13:42

@Labobo

What is the difference between a man and a woman?

My super-woke DS1 would say: That question isn't relevant because the trans movement is about people who have been born into the wrong sex. So they are women in men's bodies and therefore non-binary. And actually, I'd agree with him that this question can get closed down very quickly. He also says the bathroom argument is a straw man because there have been no cases ever of men posing as transwomen to access women's loos and changing rooms in order to assault women. I would love to know if he is correct on this.

We had such a long discussion about this recently. At least it didn't dissolve into a row. And to be fair to him he did say my constantly pressing the feminist argument has led him to realise it is a lot more complicated than he once thought .

I think if you were to access all of the stories incapsulated in this thread, plus the stories in the referenced threads, and were to print all of these out and bound into a volume - your son's illusion that the bathroom argument is invalid would be shattered.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/02/2021 13:42

Shouldn't we encourage more trans women to support their gay LGBT brothers as surrogates?

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 17/02/2021 13:41

@mindtheclegs I agree my wording on that question was a clunky, I just struggled to phrase to make it clear what was meant.

titchy · 17/02/2021 13:37

If TWAW why are there no examples of any getting pregnant?

titchy · 17/02/2021 13:34

@jj1968

Should a 10 year old trans girl, who in every way looks like a girl, be forced to use spaces where men have their penis exposed?
Yes of course. The child is male, will look like a boy at that age (girls and boys look the same pre-puberty), has a penis and will a urinal. Confused
mindtheclegs · 17/02/2021 13:33

@Aroundtheworldin80moves

Should I, in my role as a youth leader, allow a trans individual and a non trans individual share a room, as they are the same 'gender', knowing they may be in a relationship?
I understand the basis for that question, but I deplore the use of 'non-trans'.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/02/2021 13:32

This wins it for me. IIRC it was a Lib Dem at a Fawcett event who said 50% men 50% transwomen would be fine. Jawdropping!

Sal Brinton, with other female politicians nodding along. We were discussing it on this current eye-opening thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4166666-50-50-Parliament-Campaign-to-Encourage-Women-in-Politics-now-have-TWO-Transwomen-on-the-Panel

Flapjak · 17/02/2021 13:30

13:09vivariumvivariumsvivaria

Do some cultures remove the clitorises of some children because of their sex or gender?

Can a girl opt out of FGM if she identifies as male

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/02/2021 13:29

I like this game.

I'm not sure why, you're not very good at it.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 17/02/2021 13:24

Should Eton accept Transmits? (Replace with any male only location/organisation... Masons? Private Club?)

Flapjak · 17/02/2021 13:23

If a man is following close behind you when you are walking home from the pub at night, do you start speed up , get out your keys, look for an escape, or not worry as he could identify as female and therefore wouldnt be likely to rape or murder you

JaninaDuszejko · 17/02/2021 13:13

@jj1968

Should a 10 year old trans girl, who in every way looks like a girl, be forced to use spaces where men have their penis exposed?
A 10 year old child with a penis? I think they'll cope.
TinselAngel · 17/02/2021 13:11

Who has more to offer to feminist gender critical discourse, a trans widow or her ex husband?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 17/02/2021 13:09

Do some cultures remove the clitorises of some children because of their sex or gender?

oldwomanwhoruns · 17/02/2021 13:09

Should men be allowed to hijack the word 'Woman', declare themselves to be 'women', and so, at one bound, deprive females of every sex-based protection that society and the law used to give them?

...I think that that just about nails it Grin

Cloudyz7 · 17/02/2021 13:05

In what circumstances is gender identity important?

In what circumstances is biological sex important?

PygmyHippoBob · 17/02/2021 13:04

@talesofginza

"If we ended up with a Parliament which was half men and half transwomen*, would we have achieved parity in political representation between men and women?"

*adapting noun as preferred.

This wins it for me. IIRC it was a Lib Dem at a Fawcett event who said 50% men 50% transwomen would be fine. Jawdropping!
aliasundercover · 17/02/2021 13:00

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CranberriesChoccyAgain · 17/02/2021 12:58

Can a woman identity as a transwoman and be part of a trans advisory panel to discuss trans rights?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 17/02/2021 12:58

JJ, MN isn't a single sex space.

All are welcome here. It's not the same as, for instance, a prison.

jj1968 · 17/02/2021 12:56

Plus, should women ever be allowed to discuss things without the presence of a male?

Should gender critical women ignore the spaces where they can do just that in favour of hijacking the world's largest parenting forum and creating a hostile environment for many parents?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 17/02/2021 12:55

Actually, or a female penis. I don't want to see them either.

Am I allowed to say "no" to any penis, regardless of how the person it is attached to feels about their penis?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 17/02/2021 12:55

malloo Wed 17-Feb-21 12:36:33
Should women ever have the right to say no to men?

Malloo has it.

JJ - do I have the right to say "no" to seeing a male penis?

jj1968 · 17/02/2021 12:53

@Redshoeblueshoe

Exactly jj so it would be a 4 year old girl, who is in the girls toilets
I think anyone who exposed their genitals to a 4 year old in public toilets is a concern to be honest.