Jk Rowling and trans issues... talk to me!

Why would you suggest banning gay women lesbians from women's loos? They're women. They should use the women's.

Do we ban gay women?

Homophobic bingo point.

It is an indisputable fact that women suffer horrific domestic violence in this country (and worldwide), at the hands of men. Women are regularly beaten, raped, controlled, murdered and otherwise abused by men every single day. It’s so standard that it barely makes news when it happens, unless the crime is truly shocking.

And when we try to talk about it outside MN, someone pops up to call us transphobic for talking about women without adding disclaimers about transwomen.

With such a concerted campaign to demand attention and to derail other discussions, it's unsurprising that we've noticed the trans issue, surely?

And if you do feel justified, what tangible thing are you doing to help women, besides moaning on mumsnet and signing petitions?

Don't worry, IRL women are doing many and various things, nothing to do with 'trans' (unless they're impacted by the idiocies around the use of the word 'women' or if they've become de facto mixed sex and can no longer help all the women and girls they're meant for).
Hope you're not trying to imply women can only think and act on one issue at once?

oh theyre off doing 'tangible' heroic things to help women- even though they have no fecking idea what a woman is and no idea why any women might need help.

Where's he gone?

i think its a good illustration of how lots of not very bright people think:

op doesnt know what a woman is and doesnt care. she thinks removing our way of talking about ourselves as a sex class is a good thing. she thinks people can change sex. she thinks if someone threatens suicide they must be 'right' and you must do whatever they want. she thinks jkr 'started' this. she doesnt want her daughter to have single sex spaces. she doesnt want her daughter to win even in womens sports. she understands male violence but thinks that evaporates the moment a man says 'oh im not male'. she doesnt believe in safe-guarding at all. she doesnt believe vulnerable women should be free - not just from violence- but intimidation and voyeurism. she thinks women just need to be nicer to men.

shes not alone, sadly. there are loads of dim-wits like her racing to make womens lives worse than they already are.

To any lurkers reading this thread who may have similar questions to the OP, there are a lot of good responses here and links to further reading which explains why gender ideology is the single biggest threat to women's rights that I can remember in my lifetime. We can not protect or create data on what we can not define.

This is now hate speech. We can’t even talk about cervical cancer anymore.

Agree. Am hiding this thread. xx

"When I look at my beautiful, tiny daughter I don’t worry about some trans person hurting her, I worry about the very likely situation when a man hurts her."

Ooh! You nearly got it there.

And if you do feel justified, what tangible thing are you doing to help women, besides moaning on mumsnet and signing petitions?

We're organising a mass demonstration - all of us - all over the country on a designated day at a particular time.

The demonstration will be at all the organisations we deem to be particularly anti-women. We'll have our flags and our banners and we'll make everyone sit up and take notice.

There's a secret code on all our communications so that only those organisers in the know are aware of what we are planning. You see, the TRAs have been concentrating on the wrong people all this time. It's a bit like a chess game, where the checkmate sneaks up stealthily while the Queen is under attack.
While they've been getting people mass-banned, we've been innocently talking about... well, anyway - don't want to give too much away

They'd be amazed to know that some of the organisers aren't on FWR at all. You'll find them elsewhere on the site, talking about something that seems completely unrelated - seems...
but shhh! - don't tell them!

HTH

...and we accept that trans people are way more likely to attempt suicide than the rest of the population

Before I will accept that as truth, and having suffered from depression and suicide ideation myself, I would like to study the data.

Do you have a reference for that assertion in your OP that I can study, please?

As someone else said - it's the safe spaces. Some women have suffered massive trauma and don't want to be anywhere near a man that identifies as a woman.

"MoonBaby1
I think you’re coming from a genuine place and I share your concerns about men. However, transwomen are men and commit male type crimes at a similar rate to men. Because they are men.
This."

I get the above post totally.

If you are really interested then have a read of the JKR posts and her way of explaining on behalf of very vulnerable, traumatised women that cannot speak up.

This is a complete waste of everybodies time.

I was inclined to be sympathetic op until I got to your final sentence.

If we accept that men don’t need to be trans and gain access to women’s spaces to hurt us

We do accept that. That's one of the big reasons we are against self ID.

Would you like to go through this thread and have a ponder of whether these people are genuinely trans or not? And how we can tell?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

Anyone who believes males can be woman is not a feminist. J K Rowling did not start any sort of "war", women's rights have been under attack for many years and she shone a light on it.

drive-by woke-scolding.

🤣🤣🤣

Though I will be massively surprised if OP returns. I've seen this MO in action way too many times to think this is anything other than a drive-by woke-scolding.

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/the-controversy-of-female-hysteria