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Leeds Libraries Drag Story Hour (again)

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HDDD · 19/10/2020 17:43

"Exciting news – we are working with
@DragStoryHourUK
to bring you a FABULOUS family friendly storytime.
More details to follow. "
twitter.com/leedslibraries/status/1317815999660425219
I had a vague recollection of them planning one before, and a quick search tells me it was cancelled, due to pressure. Not sure what pressure, or how, and why they are now planning another.
I know they are contentious and I can't square the circle of why promoting difference and acceptance can only be done by drag queens. Also who pays for them?

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Angryresister · 23/10/2020 09:40

Here is the reply I received...
Thank you for your complaint dated 21 October. Your complaint has been logged at Stage 1 of our procedure and, as you know, allocated to me for investigation and response in line with our Complaints Policy.

In summary, my understanding of your complaint is:

• Drag queens do not fit the model of diversity and is therefore not a reason for engaging one for storytime; there are no sessions promoted with disabled people, lesbians or gay men;
• Social media of Aida H Dee and Drag Queen Story Time is unsavory, promotes other sites where paedophilia is promoted and is not appropriate for children.

Diversity

Leeds aims to be a welcoming and inclusive city

There are strong links between drag and LGBT+ culture, and part of our public sector equality duty is to have due regard to the need to eliminate discrimination. Drag is also about celebrating difference, not conforming to the ‘norms’ of society and saying that people can choose in what way they identify as individuals. It also challenges the idea that some clothing or ways of people presenting themselves are exclusively the preserve of one ‘sex’.

Leeds Libraries Service is constantly reviewing its plans and is working on a wider range of diversity projects including more storytime diversity. The service ensures that there is diversity in the stories and the authors amongst its book stock including for children and younger people.

Social media is unsavoury

There are some images on the DQST and from the performers other social media which could be viewed by some as being incompatible with our expectation of a children’s performer. They do not of themselves warrant refusing to work with this individual, and do not condone violence or paedophilia.

Moreover, we have assessed suitability in this case on the actual event being held. The event in question is pre-recorded and the added benefit of this is that the story time has already been viewed by colleagues in the Library Service who have confirmed its appropriateness for the intended audience and a full risk assessment has been undertaken with no safeguarding issues arising. It is for this reason why we are proceeding as planned.

The love has no age slogan, with an image, was used by Drag Queen Story Time. It is clear from the additional image that they do not support, condone or have anything to do with Minors Attracted Person. The slogan is one which is well known in some circles, and clearly has unacceptable connotations. However, it is not universally known, which is why ASDA also, at one time, used it as a strap line in an education pack.

Aida H Dee posted the image with the intention of recognising love seeing no boundaries, and had not sexualised this in any way, as others have seemingly done. The post was not intended to cause offence, or to promote paedophiles, and a secondary post confirmed this. The post was removed once it was highlighted that this slogan was linked to MAP.

There are other images which have been highlighted to Aida H Dee which have caused offence and I understand these have also been removed. These have been on Aida H Dee’s adult site which is restricted to over 14 year olds

In more general terms, it is not appropriate for the council to check a person’s social media accounts or ask them questions about their private life, as to do so might well be a disproportionate interference with the person’s right to private and family life under the Human Rights Act. It could also lead to a person being discriminated against because they had a protected characteristic. The DQST is a short one off supervised performance and checking a performer’s social media accounts could be seen as disproportionate. In addition, drag has strong associations with the LGBT+ community, and therefore more detailed checks for this individual than are conducted for other performers, would run the risk of a claim of discrimination by association or perception.

Conclusion

I have considered your complaint, looked at available information and discussed this further with colleagues in Safer Leeds, Communities, Children and Families, Libraries and Legal Services. In addition I have spoken to Aida H Dee.

I do not believe that we should be taking additional measures in relation to understanding the individual’s social media as that would be disproportionate and potentially discriminatory. However, given that social media concerns have been raised it is appropriate to consider these.

Having considered these, for the reasons outlined above, I see no reason why we should not engage this drag queen (who has safeguarding checks in place) to hold a library storytime for our children.

I believe that I have addressed the issues you have raised. If you wish to request a review of my decision, you can contact me directly or customer relations on the email address given above, within 28 days of this letter. However, please be aware that consideration will usually only be given to new facts or evidence, or to comments on the above facts or evidence which I have relied on as part of my investigation.

It would have been good if they had considered these issues when they closed down the women’s meeting last year.

Angryresister · 22/10/2020 00:23

Another day, another complaint made . After the last one which reached level two, I can’t wait for the meaningless drivel that will wend its way back justifying their wonderful diversity policies. LCC have really dug in over this. Why?

NiceGerbil · 22/10/2020 00:00

Why? I don't understand why?

It got cancelled/ postponed because of complaints.

There are a zillion inspirational people who could read stories.

Why go for this again when it's obviously contraversial?

It doesn't make sense.

MerchedCymru · 21/10/2020 23:51

We wrote to point out safeguarding issues and the strangely narrow notion of 'diversity' when the local health board organised a DQSH recently. They agreed eventually and the event was cancelled.

But it does make one wonder who exactly is pushing for children to watch sexualised and exaggerated stereotypes of women, and in what way that promotes actual diversity. Who actually benefits?

Leeds has more than its fair share of misogynists it seems. Anything they can do to show their contempt for women and they are there like a shot. Thank heaven for Leeds ReSisters and their supporters. But they have one helluva fight on their hands.

IAmNotAGirl · 21/10/2020 23:11

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Summerdayshaze · 21/10/2020 19:13

@LizzieSiddal yes they’re aware but don’t care.

FairFridaythe13th · 21/10/2020 08:47

They should. I would be very wary of taking a child to see this event - and more wary of those who thought they were a fit person to host events for children.

What exactly is the ‘benefit’ of this?

LizzieSiddal · 21/10/2020 08:41

He’s also raising money for Mermaids, says he wants to punch JK Rowling and she needs to get in the bin, calls Cllr Sarah Field a terf bigot, says love has no age and is now set to be an authority on black lives matter for children, even though he’s not black.

Does anyone know if Leeds Libraries aware of his views?

KatVonlabonk · 21/10/2020 08:00

That email chain was interesting. So the drag queen offered to do it for free eh? Interesting.

Drag is adult. There are loads better and more diverse people we could get to read to kids.

ktp100 · 21/10/2020 00:41

I really don't see the harm.

I'd happily take my child to one of these, no different to panto dressing up really.

Are we supposed to get our knickers in a twist about the ugly sisters as well now?

PotholeParadies · 21/10/2020 00:09

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Summerdayshaze · 21/10/2020 00:02

He’s also raising money for Mermaids, says he wants to punch JK Rowling and she needs to get in the bin, calls Cllr Sarah Field a terf bigot, says love has no age and is now set to be an authority on black lives matter for children, even though he’s not black.

Leeds Libraries are delighted to have him back and have apologised for the unpleasant haters.

stumbledin · 20/10/2020 23:38

I may be wrong but I think somehow clicking on a link to a twitter URL means you get blocked. (I've had this on 2 other threads)

But if you copy the tweet link and paste it into your browser you get the tweet.

Does this mean twitter is protecting its users from the harridans of FWR?!! Grin

Toseland · 20/10/2020 23:23

Oh so no charge for this? We all know nothing in life is free.
I’ve just realised what makes me rage most about drag story time is that a man is there openly mocking women in front of and to their children - does that sow a seed of something in a child’s mind?

FairFriday · 20/10/2020 12:30

Ah, but fads come and go. Remember Mr Blobby? Princess Diana/Sloane Ranger haircuts? Bum Bags? Rabbit fur coats? Flares? Kings Road punks with safety pins through the nose/ear, Rod Hull & Emu... Not forgetting using lead paint on your face for that deathly pallor, bathing once a year, painting 'attractive' blue veins on your decolletage, beauty marks to hide smallpox scars...

IwishNothingButTheBestForYou2 · 20/10/2020 11:40

@FairFriday

When will this fashion end?

Oscar Wilde said: “Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months.”

If only..

IAmNotAGirl · 20/10/2020 10:43

Request was put in by Julie Furlong Star

IAmNotAGirl · 20/10/2020 10:31

Someone had made a FOI request for the correspondence relating to the June event.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/672182/response/1604573/attach/html/3/All%20correspondence%20DQSH%20Redacted.pdf.html

It's worth a read

AcornAutumn · 19/10/2020 21:10

nepeta you can comment by quoting the tweet.

FairFriday · 19/10/2020 21:06

When will this fashion end?

nepeta · 19/10/2020 21:05

They won't allow comments on their Twitter account unless you are mentioned in the tweet! Isn't this a government organisation?

Can children tell the subtle differences between ridiculing extreme sex roles and ridiculing women? I very much doubt it. So this whole thing is an invitation to make fun of women and girls.

Antibles · 19/10/2020 20:51

You're right OP, this is bloody Groundhog Day.

Councillor Sarah Field pursued this and it was dropped. It was the 'Aida H Dee' drag queen.

I cannot believe the brass neck of these people to come back for another try.

AcornAutumn · 19/10/2020 19:31

I might actually watch this if it’s possible without a log in etc.

I was really hoping all this would have gone by now.

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