"We must not fetishise debate"

Wow! Straight out of the totalitarian playbook. Debate just gets in the way of the inevitable great sweep of history.

This is the following tweet. Priceless, couldn't put it better myself.

If there was ever an argument for a return to aristocracy this is it.

I think she is arguing for a return to an aristocracy, of sorts. It would seem that only certain people have the correct brains required to produce 'appropriate' thoughts and everyone else should shut up and fund their execution.

You will have trouble finding any trans person who doesn’t tell you a backstory including some level of alienation, loss of family, bullying, persecution, difficulties with accessing appropriate healthcare and worse

Even if this is true, being bullied doesn’t make you the opposite sex. Indeed it seems highly likely that in many cases, the bullying might be the cause of the gender dysphoria/“transness” and not the result of it.
People that have been bullied terribly deserve everything they demand is not the best mantra ever...

Of course it’s not flaming hypocrisy
It’s just that some trauma is more trauma-y than other trauma. Also that some people’s reaction to trauma is more deserving of attention, action and public resources than other people’s trauma is. Do keep up Michelle!

If there was ever an argument for a return to aristocracy this is it. I know that this is the best political system we’ve managed to date but we really need to work on improving it somehow. At least give the poor fuckers some basic philosophy classes before letting them begin their official parliamentary duties or something.

The thing is as well, they never ever answer actual questions about this issue. It's always just rhetoric about how 'trans people are the most marginalised', 'their lives are in danger', 'just want to be themselves', 'it's the same as the homophobia of the 80s' - none of it has any substance whatsoever.

How about they answer some actual questions:

Can you define 'woman' in a non circular way?

Can you define 'transwoman'?

At what objective point, upon which policy and law can be made, does a person cease to become 'cis' and become 'trans'?

98% of sexual offences are perpetrated by males. Do you believe that in a society where any male can self identify as a woman, predatory males will not take advantage of this in some way? Why do you think this, given the patterns of behaviour that we see in predatory males when they want to access vulnerable people?

Why should one group of people have the right to legally falsify their birth certificate with absolutely no gatekeeping whatsoever, when no other group has this right?

Do you think that a male rapist should be allowed into a female prison on the basis that he 'feels like a woman' - oh wait... You already answered that one and everyone was horrified by the response!

Marvellous. An opposition MP proudly pronouncing that her vision for the country is a totalitarian state.
Yup. I was a Labour party member for years, even voted for them in December, but I hope her constituents read this and vote her out.

She quotes ‘ “Your belief is a belief. My existence is a reality.” ‘

Excellent. This sentiment works for every individual on the planet.

Oh yes, she is the one who said that WPUK organisers (!) should be educated or expelled if they don't respond to education.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3838596-Nadia-Whittome-MP

Yeah why does she think that people wouldn't want to debate the idea that women are less intelligent than men? Bring it on! (Although maybe don't use Nadia as a case study! )

Marvellous. An opposition MP proudly pronouncing that her vision for the country is a totalitarian state. Eternal Tory government it is, then.

I would challenge anyone to sit and listen to the story of any trans person without feeling anything but shock and compassion. You will have trouble finding any trans person who doesn’t tell you a backstory including some level of alienation, loss of family, bullying, persecution, difficulties with accessing appropriate healthcare and worse

No, that one doesn't fly any more. It's called 'weaponizing trauma' by the faction this muppet supports; it's forbidden. They've said so, especially loudly and endlessly to JK Rowling.

And obviously the lobby aren't such flaming hypocrites that they would expect female people to abide by their decree but not abide by it themselves, and still expect to be taken seriously.

I have no problem with daft statements like "women are less intelligent than men" being "up for debate".
Because there are plenty of arguments and evidence that show women are as intelligent as men. When people argue for "no debate" it us usually because they are not able to defend their own position, so must resort to silencing the opposite position.

her arrogance is enormous and her respect for people is tiny

Nail on head. Unfortunately, this is becoming a definitional characteristic of many politicos on the left. And it also explains the contemptuous attitude to voters when yet another election result causes shock and awe on Twitter...

The Baroness has invited her for a chat. Maybe she might learn some history on womens and children’s rights. And maybe this MP will learn that use of the word hysterical never goes down well with a group of people who used to be locked away for ‘hysteria’ by males.

Nadia Whittome’s linked Indy article says: Everything said on the subject of trans identities has a direct impact on real people and their families.

Absolutely yes it does when it relates to possible changes to national legislation like the GRA and extending that to be bringing in self-ID. We can all agree on that. And those real people affected also include children and women, and particularly lesbian women and their families What about them?

It’s amazing how certain things definitely are not fetishes(I’m not talking about genuine gender dysphoria) but debate is a fetish. It really isn’t a great time to be a woman, is it. It’s unbelievable.
The sheer irony. Can anyone take this MP seriously now?

I feel sorry for women who live in her constituency. Imagine trying to explain your concerns to her!
Iirc she demanded for 'transphobes' to be rooted out of Labour during the trans pledge debacle. Or was it 're-educated'

Well, if this doesn’t with back the people of Bolsover and Bishop Auckland then nothing will....

What are these MPs thinking, coming out with stuff like this?

They're the descendants of Mandelson's 'post democratic era' thinking: that the electorate are stupid, the bright light of proper thinking is held by a small group of professional politicians, and the general public must be forced and punished and prevented from democracy in order for Good Things to happen.

Those 'good things' being the kind of thinking Mao, Stalin and North Korea quite like.

As she's demonstrating in her tweet, she isn't very bright. Many tweets have explained the issues in her timeline and she's still saying stupid things so what's in her head has been put there, her arrogance is enormous and her respect for people is tiny, and she has eyes on nothing but her own career.

Labour is dead. These people had the data back on why they failed so miserably and lost the labour heartlands: their response is merely that the electorate is stupid and this is why they shouldn't be allowed democracy to thwart their betters. Best thing for this party is to leave it to finish disappearing up its own bum, and hope that something better arises from the ashes.