BBC removes trans charities from support page

I take my hat off to the BBC. It can't have been an easy decision considering how divided they are internally on this.
The BBC teaching materials next, please.

Can we dare to hope that the tide is finally turning?

wow WOW WOW!!!!!

When Keir Starmer has an opinion we will know who has won.

I would imagine there has been a massive re-think. They will have taken everything into consideration. Not just complaints.

I have a feeling there will be a lot of backtracking done as quietly as possible.

We'll know when the corner has been turned.... Kier Starmer will suddenly have an opinion

Just went to see the reaction from Mermaids, but unfortunately they're on a Twitter strike.

This is brilliant! I think that people are now realising that Mermaids are a controversial charity and they can defend this easily. Who would want their child to be treated by a doctor who had been struck off ?

Oh my god, I can't believe it!

GIRES was being referenced on the new RSE curriculum at my kids school and I was going to bring it up with the headteacher, so this is really good timing as well.

I wonder if this is just due to the known about UK court case coming up etc or if the BBC know something else as well?

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1nYWPTdMtKStFL2ztx1SV11/information-and-support-lgbt-issues

The entire gender issues page has been removed, and now the LGBT page just points to the NHS for gender issues.

Oh wow, that's huge! GIRES too?

What with Posie Parker and this, what a lovely day. She did say something good was coming

Shame about the weather

That is brilliant news Itsall

It appears from twitter that this move is permanent...

twitter.com/LilyLilyMaynard/status/1287804669750894593?s=19

1/ Breaking News! The BBC today emailed its BBC Pride Network to tell members that Mermaids will be permanently removed from its Action Line contacts ‘following audience complaints’

2/ “... against a backdrop of increasingly contested issues relating to trans issues and children. It is a complex area and the BBC needs to remain impartial when signposting audiences to organisations that can offer appropriate advice.”

@Wolfgirrl @hoodathunkit

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3949205-If-someone-identifies-as-an-amputee-they-are-given-psychological-help

this thread explored that question and had some very valuable contributions but basically found no reason for differentiating between the types of disorder. Keira Bell also feels that it is a mental health issue and the more times I go over it, the more I agree.

How is it not a mental illness like body dysmorphia or anorexia?

or a dissociative disorder?

"Dissociative disorders remain controversial in respect of dissociative identity disorder (multiple personality disorder), which is much more frequently diagnosed in America, Dissociation of a body part is, however, a recognised phenomenon and may occur again under conditions of extreme distress, with the subject feeling that part of their body no longer belongs to them. Similarly, this is associated with other mental disorders such as mood difficulties."

source: (scroll down)
www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/psychological-evidence-toolkit-guide-crown-prosecutors.

or conversion disorder or body dysmorphic disorder
www.nhs.uk/conditions/body-dysmorphia/

or a whole lot of other conditions

Stonewall’s “ cross dressers are trans” thing is something I cannot get my head around.
Many TRAs claim self ID isn’t just anyone saying they’re trans, there will be safeguards,,etc. But surely cross-dressing is as simple as a man putting on a dress - job done.

So these are the people women have to accept in their spaces: any man with access to a skirt is trans, and we’re doing them literal violence if we don’t agree.

How is it not a mental illness like body dysmorphia or anorexia? Is there any difference at all?

it seems that the lobbyists have succeeded in getting it redefined so it is no longer a mental health issue - I’m not sure how they define it though.

Japanese lobbyists have succeeded in getting the status of gender identity disorder changed so that it is no longer considered a mental illness.

The new guideline, which will go into effect from 2022, reflects the thinking that gender diversity is not a form of illness but rather a matter of personal choice.

www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/13533139

Which is a kind of 'careful what you wish for' thing I feel. By removing the stigma that comes with a mental illness diagnosis you also remove the medical and social support - and sympathy- that comes with that diagnosis.

I find it odd that it’s against the law for someone under 18 to get a tattoo, presumably because we don’t want young people to make a rash decision and have something done to their bodies which is permanent and very difficult to reverse if they regret it/change their mind. And yet there are organisations allowing young people to make these major changes to their body which have far greater implications.

@nauticant

There is a high incidence of autism among people with gender dysphoria.

It is also generally accepted that there has been an increase in autism, although I am not sure to what extent.

It just baffles me that rather than say 'Hmmm, before drugging children with lifelong consequences, shall we look into why there has been a 4000% rise?'

I also suspect part of it IS a fad if I'm honest. Anyone that thinks teenagers wouldn't go to such extremes to be edgy and cool clearly havent met many teenagers. I hate to triviliase it as it is most often genuine, but there was a bit of a self harming fad when I was a teenager. A lot of people now have lifelong scars.

I believe in 'gender dysphoria' as a mental illness, but I think the number of people truly affected is tiny, and most of the people claiming to be affected today are probably not truly dysphoric.

This was written some years ago before it became transphobic to think that trans people were trans because of their gender dysphoria:

According to the DSM-5, among individuals who are assigned male at birth, approximately 0.005 percent to 0.014 percent are later diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Among individuals who are assigned female at birth, approximately 0.002 percent to 0.003 percent are later diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Because these estimates are based on the number of people who seek formal treatment—including hormone therapy and/or surgical reassignment—these rates are likely an underestimate of actual prevalence.

www.psychologytoday.com/gb/conditions/gender-dysphoria

If one assumed the numbers are still relevant today, one could ask that if less than 5% of trans people have gender dyshoria, what condition do the remaining 95+% have?

And why does anything vaguely equality/lgbt/trans rights end up with donations to mermaids.... surely adult/late transitioners have specific needs and may need charity support? International women’s day... mermaids? I just don’t get it. They must be one of the richest charities in the country.

although from Keira Bell’s recent thread it seems that the lobbyists have succeeded in getting it redefined so it is no longer a mental health issue

The contradiction of

'Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness and needs to be de-psychopathologised'

And

'If you don't put this 12 year old child on puberty blockers immediately they are going to kill themselves and it's better to have a living daughter than a dead son'

Certainly is a tricky circle to square!

The BBC might be backing slowly away from Mermaids, but they’re not backing away from the ideology. I see they’ve just bought this for CBBC: tvtonight.com.au/2020/07/first-day-to-screen-in-uk.html