Why r/GenderCritical was banned by Reddit

I've read Gender Critical for years - though I never posted. It was not a hate site, and it was strictly moderated to conform with Reddit's rules.

It was a place the kids could kick out males, of any gender. It was a place for lesbians to talk freely, for detransitioners to share their stories, for US and international movements to decentre women in public life to be discussed...

I believe much of the GC material was archived, and will become available again at some point. That's when the claims of 'hate speech' will be assessed as what they are - a lie.

Males of any gender lose my trust from the get go when they arrive in feminist space looking to centre their own stories, opinions and needs.

errol

Yes!

Thats what resident english teacher said...i just said thats it would make more sense if used as a women afraid of men thing

Although in 1964 someone whose name escapes me coined the homophobia thing as something that peoplE were afraid of becoming..lie homosexual

(My ipad puts random capitals in...stupid Fucking thing. I reckon skynet may actually kill us)

• Ive just asked the resident english teacher why its transphobic or homophobic as opposed to an ism...like racism

Does anyone know why?*

No, but I've just been down an etymological rabbit hole. I'd always assumed 'homophobia' was 'same-fear' (Greek homo/hetero, same/different ) but apparently it's original meaning was derived from the Latin meaning of 'homo' - man - ie homophobia was fear of men, logically paired with gynephobia.

www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2013/02/homophobia.html

Apparently...those arent my words

I should really have pretended that they were my words until Someone told me off for using the wrong words

We’ve accepted a term that doesn't make sense because the society has judged the term that does make sense...as unacceptable

Apparently...those arent my words

Ive just asked the resident english teacher why its transphobic or homophobic as opposed to an ism...like racism

Does anyone know why?

Its fuckall to do with the thread but I’m curious

The english teacher just said it should be ism....

MadBadDaddy

No, thank you.

So far ism when applied to ideology is acceptable for this forum and the English language in general.
Perhaps calling people transphobic who use words that end in ism like Feminism can be your next MRA project.

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Pretty good video which sums up the hypocrisy and misogyny around the Reddit ban

I want input from sensible trans women! I want discussion and dialogue, not polemic!
I am not willing to exclude women in order to include males who identify as women.
I take the advice of Maya Angelou. When they show me who they are I believe them.

Does anyone know why the rape subreddits are still up? Clearly they incite hatred but Reddit feels the need to allow them to stay up because they just don't care.

One of the deadly classics of female conditioning is teaching little girls that "he hits, pushes, hurts, you because he likes you." That is such an evil thing to teach a child.

Ignore my atrocious grammar!

And here, on FWR, if there's a choice to be made between TW and women who've nowhere else to go, it doesn't matter whether I'm fine with the former if the latter aren't. Here, if nowhere else, we surely have to prioritise women.

Indeed. This is not the place for women for fawn over transwomen, even if they are decent human beings.

Would Debbie Hayton's wife feel comfortable talking openly and honestly on this board?

No, because DH is apparently 'true-trans' posts here. DH apparently deserves special treatment because DH writes 'supporting women' articles in the Times (whilst hypocritically using women's toilets, without a GRC, but that is a complete other conversation).

There aren't many other places where women can go.

I want input from sensible trans women! I want discussion and dialogue, not polemic!

Yes. However, I'm not at all sure that FWR is the right board for that debate. We have had discussions with some of the more sensible transwomen, but my impression is that they've realised that while nowhere on MN is a 'women only space', their presence made here life harder for various women (perhaps most obviously the trans widows) and so they've had the courtesy to withdraw.

And here, on FWR, if there's a choice to be made between TW and women who've nowhere else to go, it doesn't matter whether I'm fine with the former if the latter aren't. Here, if nowhere else, we surely have to prioritise women.

This thread could use input from transwomen like Scots Helen, who was on Talk Radio earlier this afternoon. She sounded thoroughly sensible and also totally considerate of the feelings of women in any woman-only spaces. (This was brought on by another thread, www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3957245-Talk-Radio-right-now-talking-JK-Rowling which led to me listening for a while.)

I want input from sensible trans women! I want discussion and dialogue, not polemic!

Thank you AskingQuestions.

To be fair to @MadBadDaddy , I am not sure they are insisting on access to single sex spaces. They have acknowledged that single sex space, self ID, female sports and child transitioning are a can of worms.

My impression (happy to bee corrected), is that they saw posts on reddit GC, regarding grooming, pedophiles, sex offenders etc and interpreted this as an attack on trans women in general. Obviously this was incredibly hurtful as they had spent years trying to finally be happy in the way they express and present themselves.

My understanding of reddit GC is that there were a lot of women who were incredibly worried about the impact on single sex spaces, female sports etc (much as the OP themselves). Being less severely moderated posters were potentially less precise in how this was expressed. They were concerned about males posing as trans and the (probably very low) proportion of trans women whom this actually applies to (there will be a certain proportion in all populations).

I believe that there are activists (not at all all trans women) who are trying to polarise the debate into a massive we and them and silence the women’s voices completely. That is why I find an open and very precise dialogue helpful for everyone. Both for the benefit of the people discussing and for lurkers / people who haven’t thought through the issues.

I'm left handed. At school I was told to sit on my left hand and use my right. My returning to using my left hand felt natural for me, but the analogy doesn't work for women's rights.

The risk we are talking about is the dismantling of safeguarding and our existing rights, which is based on the ability to describe ourselves using precise language.

Its not empowerment to give yourself permission to have power over another group.
This is a fundamental tenet of both anti racism and feminism.

CoffeeTeaChocolate, I was using the phrase as it has been being used here, rather than having a lot of data from detailed research as a basis for my usage. Sorry I can't really help you further.

Sites like this one
sites.psu.edu/academy/2016/04/07/the-effects-of-gender-socialization-on-men-and-women/
or this one
www.mariecurie.org/annals/volume3/crespi.pdf
or this one
www.papermasters.com/socialization-women.html
might be of some use?

The left handed thing? They used to punish lefties in school by hitting their knuckles or even tying up their hands. It is the origin of the word of the word 'sinister' and I still think it apt.

Lol, what the fuck?