Mermaids response to JK Rowling

I have to go now but thats 7 points and I’m not even halfway down the statement.
If Mermaids just stuck to being a support charity for families rather than turning itself into an insidious lobby group then they’d probably be left alone without much scrutiny. All the families I have spoken to who use Mermaids are cultish in their support for it. It’s worrying.

Again, I have to ask, are they lying or thick? If they are ignorant about trans issues - criminality, processes, legalities to name but three areas - perhaps they should not be running a charity for "trans children"?

Also, if the head of Mermaids is ignorant about data security, despite being an IT consultant, perhaps they shouldn't be handling sensitive data, and allowing confidential emails including names and identifying information about their trans child clients and families to be made public on the internet? (This was a year ago and still afaics no outcome from the ICO).

Mermaids will no doubt be watching this so here you go, watch this video

This is what we should be promoting, not your hideous medical "identity" euphemism for self harm and lies.

I see alias has already posted it but I was quite surprised they linked to that study to somehow claim that "This research shows that trans women are no more a threat to women than other cisgender women".

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

It says that the MTFs retained a male pattern of criminality.

Evidence from a number of studies also points to the fact that transgender people are far more likely to be in same-sex relationships than their cisgender peers, negating the homophobia argument completely. The National Transgender Discrimination Survey of 2015 reported’ the sexual orientation of the sample demonstrates a diverse spectrum of sexual orientations among transgender and gender non-conforming people.
Among respondents, 23% reported a lesbian or gay sexual orientation; 24% identified as bisexual. The studyy^ continues:

I think this section is interesting. They are negating the homophobia argument by pointing out that people who transition are more likely to be in same sex relationships.

Now, it's hard to be sure, but I think they mean same gender relationships when they say same sex. Taking their figures, if 47% of transitioners end up gay or bi, the remaining 53% are straight.

But a straight relationship where one person has transitioned is factually a homosexual relationship.

So, given that transitioning doesn't seem to change the sex a person is attracted to, 50% of transitioners by those figures have gone from gay to straight.

Only about 5-10% of the general population are gay, so that's a high rate of conversion to my mind.

No evidence? Katie dolatowski, who sexually assaulted two little girls in women's toilets, was 18

I've just read some of the Gender Recognition Act. First it's talking about gender, which I didn't think was even acknowledged legally anywhere. So I don't understand why they've used the word gender. (Perhaps an argument for another day?)

Second, it looks like someone needs to be committed to changing their gender by living as that gender for two years and taking to a doctor or psychologist. That doesn't seem complicated to me?

delt

They actually ignored all the submissions for the consultation re the hampstead ponds. Such was the reality no one actually agreed with mixing the ponds they had to find a way to invalidate the responses

1. Since 2010, If predators have used the provisions of the Equality Act 2010 to gain access to women’s spaces, we are not aware of it,

Hello! Karen White!! And all those other transwomen housed in the female estate in prison.

They lost me at the study based on social media comments!
All we have to do is look at the abuse JKR and other women have received to understand why women feel unable to leave what would be considered a negative comment!

Since 2010, If predators have used the provisions of the Equality Act 2010 to gain access to women’s spaces, we are not aware of it

This never happens . They’ve weaselled their words by saying “used provisions of Equality act”. But they know.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

Do the high school athletes in the USA suing for their right to single sex sport competition (and by extension college scholarships) feel that transgirls are no threat to them?

Storme was a fucking lesbian

The historical transing of people who are no longer alive is fucking disgraceful.

Were they even referring to her? I thought as a women (yes they recognise her sex) they have ignored her role in favour of a man - Marsha something - a drag queen who called himself a man. Who wasn’t there.

1. Furthermore, access to bathrooms and changing rooms is generally not controlled or restricted on the basis of legal gender, so the argument that gender recognition certificates “throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms” is disingenuous

This is already happening. Bathrooms and changing rooms are now being delineated by gender (see M&S et al for details). Women and girls cannot be guaranteed safe spaces away from the male gaze.

1. While you offer no evidence to back up your suggestion that most women oppose changes around trans access to women’s toilets, we can offer evidence to the contrary.

Whilst I don’t know of any research out there, I’m pretty sure if should a picture of Karen White to the general population as asked them if they were comfortable with their daughter toileting/changing next to White, there would be a consensus against it.

Even Pink News had to amend their article claiming jk was lying about the fact that no medical or physical alterations were required for a grc. Check out channel.4 fact check.

She was telling the truth

I really can’t read it as my blood is already boiling. I may have to come back to it when I’m not raging so much.

Storme was a fucking lesbian

The historical transing of people who are no longer alive is fucking disgraceful.

1. It is not simple and it is most certainly not the truth to state that under the current Gender Recognition Act 2004 (which still requires a complicated, medicalised and lengthy process) “any man who believes or feels he’s a woman” can be legally recognised in that gender.

Lie.

Ok, this might take time as I’m in the middle of parenting etc so bear with me

1. The modern gay rights movement was, after all, sparked by a protest led by trans women of colour.

Untrue. They are referring to the Stonewall riots which was started by a butch lesbian called Storme LeDarverie (I may have spelt her name wrong.

1. To address the core of your point, trans rights do not come at the expense of women’s rights.

Yes they do. If the current proposals to bring in self-ID of gender are successful, then the word woman is meaningless legally and politically.

1. We see no evidence that trans girls are a threat to other girls in any way

Why do we have sex segregated facilities and sports if there is no issue with unisex provision. This is an untruth at best.

Thanks, Gncq, I will go and have a read about intersex societies. I didn't even know it happened.

@Wakaranaihito

This passage is relevant:

regarding any crime, male-to-females had a significantly increased risk for crime compared to female controls (aHR 6.6; 95% CI 4.1–10.8) but not compared to males (aHR 0.8; 95% CI 0.5–1.2). This indicates that they retained a male pattern regarding criminality. The same was true regarding violent crime.

(My italics)

Interestingly, female to male trans people (I don't think I'm allowed to say 'trnsx**l, am I?) seem to become more criminal and more violent:

By contrast, female-to-males had higher crime rates than female controls (aHR 4.1; 95% CI 2.5–6.9) but did not differ from male controls. This indicates a shift to a male pattern regarding criminality and that sex reassignment is coupled to increased crime rate in female-to-males. The same was true regarding violent crime.

(My italics)

They claim transwomen invented gay rights and that women don't object to being pushed aside to make room for men. They and stonewall may become cautionary tales told in the future to bemused listeners who wonder how they got away with it.

the SRY "popping" over the the X chromosome for example

Yeah, intersex condition.

Trans isn't intersex, and Intersex societies have repeatedly asked to not be drawn into trans issues.

For starters, this is from Google:

Intersex Society of North America
The Intersex Society of North America (ISNA) is devoted to systemic change to end shame, secrecy, and unwanted genital surgeries for people born with an anatomy that someone decided is not standard for male or female

Mermaids promote the opposite. They promote genital surgery and in fact lowering the age for unnecessary genital surgeries, on children who like the wrong toys.

Yes Wakaranaihito I read it the same way as you. Interestingly that ridiculously long Twitter thread by Andrew Carter cites the same report for the same reasons as Mermaids.