Times today: JK Rowling fell foul of transgender thought police

"I came across a post on Twitter which included what appears as a screenshot from a WhatsApp conversation with a gender critical ally. The image is attached for reference.

Thanks R0. I think that answers my question.

The NASUWT document removes protections & rights from female teaching staff.

This. DH helped formulate this guidance.

It’s not about purity spirals, it’s about this.

Agree - people should be able to change their minds. Show me where DH retracts/apologised for this policy which removes protections and rights from women.

Grossly Misogynistic Bastards

Frankly it would be nice to see any organisation come out in support of its female members these days.

They're all so quick to tell us how much they support trans, but when it comes to women? Tumbleweed.

Still waiting on evidence that GMB supports their female members.

Its also important to know if the NASUWT supports its female members & to see evidence of this.

Join me at the calligraphy table?

Still waiting on evidence that GMB supports their female members.

I hope you have a lot of patience!

We want to make it clear that GMB supports our trans members

I think they'd already managed to make that perfectly clear.

Still waiting on evidence that GMB supports their female members.

GMB statement:
!Date: Monday 25 May 2020

Over the past 48 hours, we’ve received a number of questions on social media and been contacted by members on our series of employment rights Q&As with Mumsnet.

We want to make it clear that GMB supports our trans members, condemns transphobia in the strongest terms and commits to continuing to practically support and campaign alongside the trans community.

During Covid -19 GMB has been working hard to represent our members, and to provide vital additional information for workers on their rights at work, wherever they are. Too many people are currently insecure at work, don’t know their rights or where to turn to and desperately need a union.

What we wanted to do by hosting online advice sessions with Mumsnet, is to reach out to parents, who we know are also facing specific challenges with employment during the pandemic, including pregnancy and childcare. Our sole intention was to help support workers when they need it, as that’s our job.

We are grateful to all those who contacted us with their concerns and of course must listen to our members. We will immediately pause our Mumsnet work, thoroughly review and meaningfully engage with our members and activists, about how best to reach working parents whilst continuing to support all our members.

We are committed to rebuilding trust with our trans members and redoubling our efforts to challenge transphobia and end discrimination in all workplaces and beyond.

Together we are always stronger. Our fight for equality will always be at the heart of what we do."

www.gmb.org.uk/online-Q-A

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3920159-GMB-Statement-on-transphobia

When hayton talks about boundaries and sex based rights, I don't think hayton is talking about sex segregation spaces.

As a union representative, Dr Hayton should have an understanding of *and commitment to women's sex-based work protections & rights. Union representatives hve responsibility to all members.

The NASUWT document removes protections & rights from female teaching staff.

www.nasuwt.org.uk/uploads/assets/uploaded/085066bb-c224-40de-b79e2a1358801ee9.pdf

tuc150.tuc.org.uk/stories/debbie-hayton/

Me too Empress. It would save loads of time.

If he’s reading this thread, I would hope he’d come on and clarify his position on single-sex spaces.

And it is true, there is nothing I can do as a trans woman that I could not do as a man, apart from breach women’s boundaries and appropriate their sex-based rights. I don’t do those things so arguably I have gained nothing.

Hayton had said several times that there are no laws or rights for women and girls to have automatic sex segregated spaces - that they are more of a courtesy or a tradition. I can see how hayton therefore can assert that hayton hasn't breached any boundaries while using women's sex segregated spaces.

When hayton talks about boundaries and sex based rights, I don't think hayton is talking about sex segregation spaces.

That blog statement is too vague to be taken as "I no longer use female facilities."

Debbie may think that that blog remark doesn't necessarily contradict his assertion that he asks if he can use the ladies. Not realising that the power dynamic will often mean women feel unable to say no.

Goosefoot

This thread made me wonder, so I had a look at D Hayton's blog. This could be the source you were looking for, from a couple of months ago:

And it is true, there is nothing I can do as a trans woman that I could not do as a man, apart from breach women’s boundaries and appropriate their sex-based rights. I don’t do those things so arguably I have gained nothing.

debbiehayton.wordpress.com/2020/04/08/gender-identity-is-bollocks/#more-765

Of course, he could be lying about this, and I'm sure some will believe that he is. However, a false claim would undoubtedly make him vulnerable to being discredited, since it might be disproved at any time by one of his colleagues or someone else. And iff there is one thing he's shown, it's that he is a good tactician.

"While English speakers may routinely conflate sex and gender, the fact we have two words allows us to give them different meanings. "

The fact is those those two word have been conflated & are being used to mean the same thing.

An adult "asking" a child who is their student if the child minds that adult doing something that they knew very well the child may not want them to do in a scenario in which the adult is already insisting on being referred to as Miss Female Name is being disgustingly manipulative.

Regarding the toilet usage policy, Hayton appears to enjoy putting their students and associates on the spot by asking them if they mind if he uses the women and girls toilets.
His behavior with women and girls made perfect sense to me once he confessed to being AGP.

The very first thing Hayton said in the article regarding Jo Rowling was a lie. The first effing thing.
Debbie Hayton uses women to self promote. This article is a textbook example of how.

They compounded the problem in 2010 too. How best to word it, I'm not sure, but I reckon if anything were to be made a protected characteristic it ought to have been nonconformity rather than reassignment.

But of course, that wouldn't do at all, because it would mean it would be illegal to discriminate against women who refuse to comply with the demands of the femininity construct.

Instead they prefer to make a sexist law that a) disadvantages women and gives us no protection unless we rescind our sex-class membership and declare ourselves nonwomen while b) stripping us of our sex-based rights. All in order to alleviate their own guilt about chucking men out of the man club for being gay.

Instead of actually tackling the underlying attitudes that result in discrimination etc against people who don't conform to the stereotypes associated with their sex, authorities have been allowing allowing a small subset of those people to hide by granting them fake documents.

This was one of the reasons behind the passing of the original GRA in 2004 (the other one was to allow same sex marriage by pretending that one of the people had changed sex).

It should have been obvious to everyone at the time (and now) that the solution wasn't to pretend that someone had changed sex, but to say that anyone can present as they want to, call themselves by whatever name they want to, love who they want, and should not be harassed, discriminated against or abused for doing so.

Most of it is politics? Dear lord.

I've looked for the thread from before - it will give me thread titles but it won't let me look at the threads for some reason.

But my memory is that Hayton said directly that they no longer had the same view about use of changing rooms etc.

Is it this thread you're thinking of Goose ?

6th June 2019 OP DancingRaven wrote,

"I came across a post on Twitter which included what appears as a screenshot from a WhatsApp conversation with a gender critical ally. The image is attached for reference.

It is so disappointing to see this, are women's boundaries just amusing to everyone? How can we work together when our sex based rights are just 'politics'?"
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3605090-Boundaries-and-Allies#prettyPhoto

Has anybody found evidence that Dr Hayton no longer stands by that NASUWT guidance yet?

There are numerous Safeguarding implications should the recommendations from the NASUWT document be adopted by a school.