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A message of gratitude

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RaquelRosarioSanchez · 21/05/2020 13:22

Dear Mumsnet Women's Rights community,

Hope you are all staying safe and healthy during these challenging times.

My name is Raquel and I am a PhD student with the Centre for Gender and Violence Research at the University of Bristol. Some of you may be aware that things have been challenging for me, here in the UK. I wanted to post on this Women's Rights board to say thank you to all of you for everything that you have taught me over these past two years that I have been here in England.

Although it is online, Mumsnet has provided me with a sense of community and shown me the power of women coming together, in solidarity, to support each other. I have learned so much (and laughed so much) following the many passionate discussions which take place on this Women's Rights board. I often joke that if anyone ever wonders how to build a submarine, all they have to do is pop by Mumsnet and one of you will be like: "Right, here's how you start..."

Thank you to Mumsnet for allowing democratic and fruitful discussion of women's rights to take place. Most importantly, thank you to all of you for all you teach the many women who, like me, are oftentimes lurkers but are always learning.

Best wishes,
Raquel

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R0wantrees · 26/05/2020 18:24

Flowers & solidarity Raquel

Some relevent background:

WPUK Bristol meeting (third WPUK event)
February 8th 2018
Organisers' account including embedded links to the speeches given by Jo Bartosch, Lynne Harne, Stephanie Davis-Arai and Judith Green. Chaired by Raquel Rosario Sanchez
womansplaceuk.org/2019/06/04/a-womans-place-is-speaking-out-bristol/

WPUK statement refuting & rebutting slurs made to the chancellor, Hugh Brady:
womansplaceuk.org/womans-place-bristol-university/

Published 27.2.18
www.bris.ac.uk/news/2018/february/freedom-of-speech.html
"The University of Bristol is re-affirming its commitment to freedom of speech and to the rights of all our students and staff to discuss difficult and sensitive topics, and to being a place where all feel safe, welcomed and respected, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, disability or social background.

The University has been made aware of the controversy surrounding a recent meeting in Bristol, organised by the group known as “A Woman’s Place” and chaired by one of our students. The stated purpose of the event was to discuss the implications of proposed changes in the law which would mean a person’s gender could be determined by self-identification alone, and concerns about what this might mean for single sex environments such as social and sports facilities, hospital wards, changing rooms and toilets.

An open letter was posted on social media calling for the event to be banned, on the basis that the discussion would be founded on hatred and distrust of transgender people. Some 200 people are believed to have signed up to this letter, including some of our students and staff. There were many related comments on social media, some of these describing the event - and anyone involved in its organisation - as by definition transphobic with some using abusive and intimidating language. We understand that in the end the event took place without incident.

While this event was not affiliated with or hosted by the University, it presents an opportune time to affirm our commitment to freedom of speech and to the rights of all our students and staff to discuss difficult and sensitive topics. Universities are places of research and learning, where debate and dissent are not only permitted but expected, and where controversial and even offensive ideas may be put forward, listened to and challenged. Intellectual freedom is fundamental to our mission and values. Our freedom of speech policy underlines the vital importance of our right, as members of a free and democratic society, to speak openly without fear of censorship or limitation, provided that this right is exercised responsibly, within the law, and with respect for others who may have differing views. We do not condone attempts to silence discussion before it has even taken place or the use of stereotyping or threatening language to prevent debate.

We also take this opportunity to affirm our equally strong commitment to making our University a place where all feel safe, welcomed and respected, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, disability or social background. We believe that calls for this event to be banned were largely founded on the sincere desire to show support and solidarity for transgender people in our society and in our university community. We regret however that this desire has been expressed by some in a manner which may have caused others to fear that their own right to meet and speak freely about matters of concern to them is not protected by the University.

Professor Nishan Canagarajah
Pro-Vice Chancellor Research & Enterprise
Chair of the University's Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Group
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3233018-Freedom-of-Speech-A-statement-by-the-Chair-of-the-Universitys-Equality-Diversity-and-Inclusion-Group

April 2018 'We Need To Talk about Sex' event Bristol Jam Jar:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvlqX-eR6RA

The Bristol Free Speech Society has organised a number of challenging talks, including one by Raquel Rosario Sanchez (organiser of 2018 WPUK meeting).
This came out of the 'We Need To Talk About Sex' meeting in Bristol. One of the founders spoke in the Q&A session at the end.

May 2018 re Nic Shall
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3259500-Trans-Student-Faces-Expulsion-from-Univeristy-of-Bristol

Bristol's student newspaper view of 2018 events
epigram.org.uk/2019/05/13/the-university-could-be-at-risk-of-complicity-in-anti-transgender-bullying-campaign/

2019 Student Union failed to reconfirm a commitment to free speech
epigram.org.uk/2019/02/28/does-bristol-university-really-have-a-problem-with-freedom-of-speech/

2019
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3591919-Bristol-Uni-TRAs-trying-to-shut-down-a-student-society-meeting

Winesalot · 25/05/2020 08:48

Great to see this in The Times today. I wish you all the best with your flourishing garden.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/student-to-sue-university-over-transgender-bullying-vmpdnzkdq

Sorry no share token.

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 24/05/2020 08:24

I’m truly sorry for all that you have had to endure Flowers. I am so grateful to you and women like you who are the voice of so many who are voiceless.

MyOwnSummer · 24/05/2020 08:11

Bullying is never ok. I'm sorry you had to go through this, and wish you happiness and success in the future.

Antibles · 22/05/2020 14:20

You've been amazing Raquel Flowers

Onebigfoot · 22/05/2020 14:00

Hi Raquel. I read about your story yesterday. Whilst I was deeply saddened by it, your bravery in carrying on shines through. I wish you all the best in the future, although I'm sure a strong woman like you won't need it. I just hope for us all we can get back to a place where women can talk about feminism and sex based rights is no longer considered a taboo subject and those campaigning for the safety of women are no longer accused of bigotry

Needmoresleep · 22/05/2020 13:41

Have dug!

Has there been any publicity in Bristol. I note that The Tabs latest story is about anti semitism

thetab.com/uk/bristol/2020/05/21/bristol-uni-lecturer-suspended-by-labour-for-saying-starmer-received-zionist-money-40451

and I have been impressed by the continued efforts of the Bristol Free Speech society’s efforts to encourage debate, even on the more difficult subjects. There is so much at stake.

jhuizinga · 22/05/2020 13:32

Thank you, Raquel. I'm in awe of your courage and determination and wish you all the best. Have done a bit of gardening for you.

ScapaFlo · 22/05/2020 12:38

Your last paragraph is lovely, Stealh

Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 22/05/2020 00:12

Thank you Raquel, for having the inner strength to carry on despite all the efforts to sabotage your studies.

You are a role model for other women and girls who will find themselves unexpectedly struggling as unfair hurdles are raised to block their progress, needing to stand against persecution by a institutions that have been paid to nurture and protect them.

I hope you win and am happy to add my support in a small way to such an important case.

Win or loose I have a feeling you are going to go far, because rather than crushing you as expected and intended, all this pressure seems to be turning you into a diamond! Shine on!

Thinkingabout1t · 21/05/2020 23:44

I admire you even more now than I did before! Young women need role models like you. Thanks for staying here and standing up for women. Best of luck. Flowers

Gncq · 21/05/2020 22:58

I really hope good comes out of all this for you

Fallingirl · 21/05/2020 21:01

That gratitude goes both ways, Raquel. Best of luck with your thesis; I cannot imagine doing it under such hostile conditions.[flowers)

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 21/05/2020 20:58

I studied at Bristol myself a decade ago and have only fond memories of it. I'm so ashamed of how far it's fallen and the kind of behaviour that's been allowed to thrive there. So sorry for everything you've been through and I'll definitely be bringing my spade to help you get some justice from them!

Binterested · 21/05/2020 20:50

Dug for you Raquel Flowers

Good to know there are some women holding Instituitons to account over this shamefulness.

Pertella · 21/05/2020 20:45

Thank you Raquel, I have scattered a few seeds and will happily scatter more in June.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 21/05/2020 19:40

Thank you Raquel for your courage and I am so sorry at what you have been put through. Well done for speaking out - I am another one who has contributed.

Lamahaha · 21/05/2020 19:37

An interesting comment by one of the gardeners:

After hearing of your story, several of my senior school pupils contacted me to ask if I think Bristol is a safe Uni for females to attend. I remained neutral, but encouraged them to set up their own discussion group (including their male and female peers). Their overwhelming conclusion was "No".

GinnyLane · 21/05/2020 19:21

Raquel

We stand with you.

RumbaswithPumbaas · 21/05/2020 19:01

Hi Raquel, I am Bristol Allumni, would it help if I cancel direct debit and explain why?

Quillink · 21/05/2020 16:46

All the very best to you Raquel. I'm so sorry that you have had to put up with this. Thank you for fighting Flowers

Mollyollydolly · 21/05/2020 16:07

I don't normally post - just lurk but having read your story yesterday just wanted to wish you all the luck in the world. I feel ashamed of the way you have been treated.

ScapaFlo · 21/05/2020 15:52

Best wishes Raquel. I'm sorry you had to go through what you've been put through.

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 21/05/2020 15:48

Thanks for you, and best wishes

FleecyMoo · 21/05/2020 15:29

Thank you for your lovely post and I completely agree with you about the community to be found here with so many intelligent, thoughtful and brave women Flowers