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Legal action against CPS launched over their LGBT Hate Crime Guidance

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2fallsagain · 27/04/2020 18:32

mobile.twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1254821407994904578

All the news here. Safe Schools Alliance and Fair Cop are supporting a 14 year old girl take action against the CPS not he basis their LGBT hate crime guidance puts her at risk.

To quote SSAUK "We find it disturbing that this guidance seeks to control the ‘personal thoughts’ of children, we believe this to be damaging to children’s mental health. It also has a chilling effect on free speech which is the antithesis of effective #safeguarding."

The girls says ""Girls should not have to stay silent when they are uncomfortable with males in their toilets. This is supposed to be anti-bullying guidance but I feel intimidated that I would have to stay silent. That's not anti-bullying; not for girls."

This is big news, please share as much as you can.

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R0wantrees · 01/05/2020 09:18

This is significant news and can be used to show that any advice or guidance issued by Stonewall, GI or other lobby groups is legally questionable.

Members of NASUWT should be asking questions of their union's involvement in this.

Members of this teachers'union should be also aware of the previously published 'Trans Equality in Schools and Colleges, Advice and Guidance for Teachers and Leaders' by NASUWT. It disregards female staff's sex based rights & Safeguarding.
www.nasuwt.org.uk/uploads/assets/uploaded/085066bb-c224-40de-b79e2a1358801ee9.pdf

Goosefoot · 01/05/2020 00:24

You can't have a society where nobody is allowed to offend anyone else. Legally that just isn't workable.

I've thought a couple of times that elements of society now remind me of an honour-shame type of culture..

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 01/05/2020 00:15

You can't have a society where nobody is allowed to offend anyone else. Legally that just isn't workable.

Aesopfable · 01/05/2020 00:03

Reading the SSA letter also makes it clear to me how it also ignores the rights of religious students. For example, the Roman Catholic Church has stated that transgender ideology is at odds with their theology. And of course many other mainstream religious groups do not accept homosexual sex or marriage. This could be considered insulting or offensive so would potentially mean a student wearing a cross, or a scripture union or Muslim student group meeting could be deemed a ‘hate incident’ with the implication that belonging to these groups, wearing a cross or hijab, or handing out an invitation to an Easter service could be prosecuted.

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2fallsagain · 30/04/2020 22:28

We are pausing fundraising for now but we are wondering what the next steps are. Will they replace and what with? So there are some discussions to be had

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bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 30/04/2020 22:20

OP, do you still require 💸 for the court case?

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2fallsagain · 30/04/2020 21:11

hi everyone, thanks for updating the thread and to @TheBigBad's DD - a massive thanks to her. You should be so proud. We literally couldn't have done this with out.

There is a full statement from SSAUK and Fair Cop here:
safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2020/04/30/cps-guidance-withdrawn-for-review/

To answer a couple of questions: yes, they have withdrew to review and we will be keeping a close eye on what happens next. As for the Oxfordshire case, as far as we know they are not backing down. It will be interesting to see if this decision has any bearing on what they decide to do next.

This is significant news and can be used to show that any advice or guidance issued by Stonewall, GI or other lobby groups is legally questionable.

Thanks for all your support.

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R0wantrees · 30/04/2020 19:47

Great news.

Important to remember that this school toolkit for key stages 3 and 4 was published by the CPS in partnership with NSPCC, Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence, NASUWT & the National Police Chiefs’ Council.

www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/lgbt-bullying-and-hate-crime-schools-pack-launched

HermioneWeasley · 30/04/2020 19:29

Fantastic news!

SarahTancredi · 30/04/2020 19:13

Awesome!!!

Melroses · 30/04/2020 18:54

Well done to SSAUK and that courageous young woman.

^ This

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 30/04/2020 18:42

That’s a brilliant start and hopefully the papers pick up on it.

MoleSmokes · 30/04/2020 18:36

The good news is also on another thread by @Spero !

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3895832-CPS-has-withdrawn-Hate-Crime-guidance-for-schools-this-afternoon

truthisarevolutionaryact · 30/04/2020 18:17

About bloody time. Out of all the awful trans guidelines (and there's plenty of choice in terms of breaching safeguarding, parental alienation etc) this was the most sinister and unpleasant in terms of grooming children and young people to ignore boundaries.
Hopefully this will get plenty of press coverage as currently schools (understandably) uncritically obey what organisations like the CPS, Stonewall etc dictate to them.
Well done to SSAUK and that courageous young woman. Flowers Flowers Flowers

Aesopfable · 30/04/2020 18:10

That is good but where does it leave the judicial review? They could just bring it back unchanged.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 30/04/2020 17:10

Getting worried now.

Legal action against CPS launched over their LGBT Hate Crime Guidance
SarahTancredi · 30/04/2020 16:23

Stop being so cruel...tell us Blush

Melroses · 30/04/2020 15:50

I think there may be good news incoming...

I'm all ears ….?

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 30/04/2020 15:41

*say

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 30/04/2020 15:40

You can’t assay that TheBigBad! I’m going to have to keep checking in! 🤞

TheBigBad · 30/04/2020 15:35

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Sillydoggy · 30/04/2020 14:28

I am so impressed at the bravery of this girl! Well done and thank you and donated of course.

Goosefoot · 30/04/2020 02:05

The definition either needs to narrow or to expand. My vote would be for it to narrow as the basis of it being defined by any person's subjective perception makes it unworkable and subject to abuse.

It's totally unworkable. People get the wrong idea about stuff all the time.

Aesopfable · 30/04/2020 00:05

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