Zoe has gone woke

How is someone’s feelings about gender even remotely relevant to the data you are collecting?

Fixed it.

'I suppose they think it’s such a tiny proportion of people, it won’t meaningfully affect the data'

This. This is the argument across loads of things.

They know that most people with asked gender say their sex
They know that most people don't read assigned at birth Vs birth sex and will just tick male female

The argument for altering language seems to be that most people won't understand the difference so why not.

That's a terrible reason for moving away from biological reality and into, tick what you fancy.

Zoe O'Connell:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3263172-Andrew-Gilligan-Latest-bullying-transgender-complaint-swiftly-rejected-by-parliamentary-standards-committee

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396459-David-Davies-MP-speaks-out-about-harrassment-calls-for-stop-to-GRA-reform-urgent-review-involving-womens-groups

Zoe is the name of Sarah's partner. The two men are in a 'V shaped' polyamorous relationship with Sarah's wife.

I realise this adds nothing to the discussion. I was just googling Sarah and found this old tripe:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/apr/20/greatest-sexual-taboo-polyamorous-transgender

As you were.

God knows what Sarah Brown has achieved. Wasnt she the Cambridge councillor who tried to enforce gender neutral public toilets without bothering to consult either women or the disabled?

Brown (incorrectly) modified the implementation of the Equality Act 2010 in Cambridge almost as soon as it was passed.

Anne Sinnott discovered & exposed what had happened. Eventually Cambridge CC corrected their policies:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3376567-anne-sinnott-vindicated-she-was-right

Brown & partner Zoe O'Connor were also key members of the influential LibDem LGBT+ group:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3399104-Times-Lib-Dem-trans-activists-hounded-abuse-victim-Natalie-Bird-Article-refers-to-Zoe-OConnell-Sarah-Brown

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397505-Lib-Dem-LGBTQ

& of course also members of the powerful Stonewall Trans Advisory group:
mirandayardley.com/en/ma-vie-en-rose-ruth-hunts-rose-tinted-transgoggles-and-the-anti-woman-politics-of-stonewall/

But males who identify as females seem to get the jobs, shortlisted positions, actually listened to, the police out of someone gives them the squint eye, ignored once they hit 40... they really really don’t want to be treated like a woman!

Brown insists that males who identify as women be treated as female in healthcare & asserts this for themself.

Right - like Yaniv with his need to be seen by a gynaecologist???!!!!

Yes, but still very last year. Now we cherish our heroes, our doctors and nurses, our supermarket workers, our agricultural workers, delivery drivers, our pharmacists, our transport workers, binmen and teachers. Those that do jobs without recognition.

God knows what Sarah Brown has achieved. Wasnt she the Cambridge councillor who tried to enforce gender neutral public toilets without bothering to consult either women or the disabled? Whatever. She clearly is tone deaf in terms of the mood of thd nation. My hope is that she has earned her irrelevance.

Doesn't Sarah Brown have anything else to worry about? A huge epidemic, peoples lives turned upside down, and she is still fussing about identity. It seems so 2019.

Sarah Brown has been determined to change/control health provison for many years believing "It's not just the NHS that is institutionally transphobic, it's the whole medical establishment"

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

Brown insists that males who identify as women be treated as female in healthcare & asserts this for themself.

I saw them say somewhere that was the standard questionnaire questions used in the US?

Could it be linked to the fact that the app is now, as of yesterday, collecting data from the USA as well as the UK.

Perhaps researchers there are even more careful about offending the easily offended.

Doesn't Sarah Brown have anything else to worry about? A huge epidemic, peoples lives turned upside down, and she is still fussing about identity. It seems so 2019.

Ladies? What if a few thousand women asked for them to start adding like grown ups and just put ‘sex’? How do tot think that would go down?

I suppose they think it’s such a tiny proportion of people, it won’t meaningfully affect the data. They all seem to shit themselves as it always seems to be framed as you’re breaking the law and liable to be sued.
I feel like when GC point out that companies are not abiding by the law, it doesn’t have as much of that threat of legal Action feel to it.
Might be wrong, but that’s the impression I get.

I just don't understand why everyone gives in, especially when it's clearly wrong to so (changing rooms come to mind). What on earth do they think is going to happen if they ignore it, or refuse? Sure, there might be less trans uptake of ZOE/ the Covid app, but could a boycott by such a small population really make a difference?! Truly? By contrast, a demand that threatens the integrity and usefulness of data which could help everyone (including those with a Special Gender Identity, but crucially not limited to them)... is just breathtakingly reckless and selfish. And they pull this shitty stunt again and again.

A bit like male pattern violence I imagine that transwomen and men will suffer equal levels of infection rates as cohorts because they all have one thing in common.

Of course it would be fascinating if it affected trans people more or less than non trans people. But I somehow suspect not.

But if it even bothers indulging unscientific nonsense, how can it be relied upon.
It might as well ask whether you are a Jedi or not.
Covid-19 is affecting biologically born men more than biologically born women. Not transmen more than transwomen.
It skews the result if that data isn't collected properly.
Covid-19 doesn't give a shit how you feel or what you identify as.
Your biological sex appears to make a difference as well as your age.

Scientists! 🤣

[email protected]
We can point out the glitch/bug by email.

'assigned at birth'? No I'll only cooperate with real scientists based in reality. If you can't get that right I don't believe they are professionals.

Cuntysnark

I’m afraid I’ve deleted it as no sense will be made of the data rendering it worthless

I think that is very odd stance to take.

Firstly the vast majority of people will have answered the question based on their sex and will have paid no notice to this.

Secondly the app has, as a poster pointed out, a work around for trans people who are answering it relation to their gender.

Thirdly the numbers of people who don't answer it based on biological sex will be tiny.

Fourthly the app is designed to identify who aren't feeling well. That is its primary purpose. There might be evidence men are affected more but it's not a pressing point.

But if you want to cut your nose off to spite your face, it's your choice.