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Puzzled - Philip Schofield

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howwillthispanout · 07/02/2020 20:37

Sorry if this has been covered already but I’ve been offline all day - has there been any discussion re PS’s announcement today on this board? Especially in relation to wife and daughters

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TimeLady · 09/02/2020 10:58

The Mail on Sunday has learned that Friday’s announcement followed a frenzied 24 hours for ITV, during which a carefully orchestrated plan was put in motion to ensure his coming out went without a hitch

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7982795/The-frenzied-24-hours-planning-ITV-Phillip-Schofield-came-gay-live-TV.html

Dozer · 09/02/2020 10:36

A man in my family knew they were gay/bi, but wanted a traditional family and feared homophobia at work and from their wealthy family. Dated women, didn’t tell them, married and had three DC. Then when DC were secondary age decided to pursue relationships with men, and actively planned for this. (Unknown whether infidelity in the meantime: likely). THEN once everything was set up, told their wife; and later their DC. Moved out to a location several hours away and did virtually no parenting for the rest of the DCs’ adolescence (the father’s choice, the DC still wanted contact/parenting and the mother supported this).

Not “brave and stunning” behaviour.

Extracurricularfatigue · 09/02/2020 10:35

That whole ‘interview’ stinks. No wonder he had inklings that he might be gay when he married in 1993 when he had spent the last few years happily and openly dating men. It’s written as if he had has some moments of suppressed sexual feelings rather than the actual truth.

I am NOT homophobic, I don’t think that coming out is easy for some people even now, but the aggressive PR on this to turn him into an LGBT hero when in fact it seems to be a cover up against being outed in a story in which he doesn’t get any glory whatsoever is an insult to those who actually choose to go public with their sexuality and risk their careers.

Dozer · 09/02/2020 10:32

Wonder how long “a while” is. Probably not when they started dating, before they became serious, ttc. Probably many, many years after he decided to cheat and/or plan to end the relationship at a time of his choosing.

BaolFan · 09/02/2020 10:29

It's all lined up quite cleverly. Saying that the wife has known 'for a while' and they 'have no secrets', making it bloody awkward for her if she wants say that she's been lied to.

Pip has positioned himself as the brave victim and any attempt on the part of his wife and children to deviate from the narrative is likely to be met with criticism. I feel very, very sorry for Steph.

NumbersStation · 09/02/2020 10:21

No doubt dancing on ice will have a big rainbow welcome for Pip. Which I would have welcomed if he hadn’t hurt others with his lies or been allegedly sniffing round a very young man.

Somebody has fixed it for PS. But I don’t want to be in his gang (quite clearly Ruth and Eamonn don’t want to be either).

Someone said that ps wanders about as though ‘his shit don’t stink’

It stinks alright. Not of bravery or pride though. It just stinks of shit.

RedToothBrush · 09/02/2020 10:00

www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10924154/philip-schofield-suicide-sexuality/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunmaintwitter&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Phillip Schofield reveals he considered suicide while keeping his sexuality secret

Just... Yeah...

HandsOffMyLangCleg · 09/02/2020 09:48

Posters expressed concerns over (a then) 15 year old boy - the runner.

We also expressed that he was not stunning or brave and that our support is for his wife, daughters, colleagues and the aforementioned young man who Philip mentored.

HandsOffMyLangCleg · 09/02/2020 09:45

No surprise that one of the other PS threads has just been zapped.

2Rebecca · 09/02/2020 08:54

Agree it sounds very like Mackay and I don't see why having an affair and leaving your spouse for a much younger man whose boss you have been and who you started being interested in when they were a teenager is OK if it's a same sex relationship and not if it's opposite sex. Hetero men are prick orientated and abusing their power, gay men are brave and stunning. Boris got much more stick for leaving his wife for a 30 year old woman and he's 2 years younger than Schofield.

Cuntysnark · 09/02/2020 08:22

Derek Mackay sprang to mind. Can’t quite figure out why...

cheeseomelette · 09/02/2020 07:54

The runner was in his mid teens when the contact started. Ps was in some kind of mentoring position at his theatre school (gets better this, doesn't it?) Sad
Twitter then shows ps followed him on there when he was just 15, then got him his break into itv. Looks like it then played out over several years.

RedToothBrush · 09/02/2020 07:51

From that Sun interview:

TV golden boy Phil, who hid his secret for years from his beloved wife, admitted struggling with suicidal thoughts and to having therapy as he tried to put the issue to the back of his mind.

And he said: “If you ask anyone who is gay, they know — there is no confusion.”

And

Phil, who shared the news with the nation on Friday’s show, also confessed he did not know if his marriage would last — and refused to say if he was in a relationship with a man.

The brave This Morning host has admitted he was “naïve” to think he could suppress his sexuality when he wed wife Steph.

And while he battled his emotions for years, he says “amazing” Steph has known he was gay “for a while”.

And

While the news would devastate most marriages, Phil credits Steph as his closest ally throughout his battle. And he says there was never a dramatic showdown over his sexuality.

This doesn't get better the more I read.

The idea that his wife is supposed to react in a dramatic way and if she does its all OK and she's amazing. The idea that he can somehow still stay married boggles me.

It's utterly devoid of any thought for her even now and it's very much all about him.

It's appalling.

FrogsFrogs · 09/02/2020 02:01

You mean the runner person? He was in his 20s though. Or someone else?

ZIGGY7 · 09/02/2020 01:57

That Guardian article is very flawed.

  1. It entirely avoids saying what Queer actually means
  2. The assumption that nobody knew PS was gay. Purrleese!
ZIGGY7 · 09/02/2020 01:21

I think ITV have a lot of questions to answer on safeguarding, and how it was an open secret that a major talent was effectively grooming a young man. Ruth is alleged to have made a formal complaint against PS. As such, she will have been obliged to keep quiet whilst an investigation was conducted. I wonder whether the PR company PS hired put out the rumour that the complaint was due to him cutting her off abruptly in a studio handover, as a cover. I think there is a moral in this. LISTEN TO THE MIDDLE-AGED WOMEN WHO PUT SAFEGUARDING FRONT AND CENTRE.

HeIenaDove · 09/02/2020 01:18

This was posted on another thread. Its the only interview he will do.

www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10923868/phillip-schofield-admits-he-knew-he-was-gay-when-he-wed-27-years-ago-in-his-only-interview-on-coming-out/

BorneoBabe · 08/02/2020 22:47

The Telegraph has a couple of articles from wives who've been through this. This one is good: www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/like-phillip-schofield-my-husband-came-out-gay-wont-recover/

When I heard the news that Phillip Schofield had come out as gay, after 27 years of marriage, my reaction was not to feel happy for him, or to admire his bravery and honesty, as so many others seem to have done. Instead, I felt physically, violently sick.

His confession took me back to the moment, a decade ago, that my entire world came crashing down when the husband who had supposedly loved, honoured and cherished me for 30 years, told me that he was homosexual and had been living a lie throughout our relationship.

It was the ultimate betrayal and humiliation. It made me feel that I had lived half of my adult life in someone else's closet, as his ‘beard’. Those are years that I can never get back.

When gay men marry straight women, hoping they can repress their sexuality, they’re not only fooling themselves, but ensuring future heartbreak for those they claim to love. It ruins families.

Schofield states that his wife and daughters are being supportive, and he’s clearly getting plenty of support from the public, but I suspect his overriding emotion is one of relief. It’s his wife and daughters who really need the support. In fact, the praise my ex-husband got for his lies only added to my own pain.

HeIenaDove · 08/02/2020 21:22

Not everywhere on fb is ignoring his wife. Check out Red magazines fb page Comments similar to here.

nauticant · 08/02/2020 21:15

Have a look over in AIBU:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3762687-what-s-happening-to-phillip-schofield

There is no way the comments made on that thread would be allowed to stand in FWR. Reflect on this: comments having a safeguarding character are often not permitted in FWR.

TimeLady · 08/02/2020 21:08

There's going to be a lot of egg on faces if the rumour mill turns out to be correct

www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/news/dancing-on-ice-will-honour-phillip-schofield-in-this-emotional-way/ar-BBZN3op?ocid=spartanntp

Elloello · 08/02/2020 21:04

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Melroses · 08/02/2020 20:33

I'm still struggling to see how announcing you want to have sex with men instead of your wife, is brave.

It isn't. Especially as he seems to have also announced that he isn't seeking a relationship. PR machine in overdrive.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 08/02/2020 20:01

Agree nauticant

He is a bully on the radio especially towards women our voices are not as important as a man’s