Julie Bindel bullying Posie

Great post needmoresleep

I've been told here on FWR numerous times that my kids have the right to a father and I am selfish for having them in a lesbian relationship

Sapphos

The thread you link to has very few regular posters on it, it seems to be mostly populated by rare visitors, yet you cite it to blanket smear those of us who weren't even on it. This is a recurrent theme with your posts. They consist of ad hominems, smears and your obsessive hatred of PP. It's very tiresome.

Oh and I've just checked the thread to see who said that - and it was a poster who I don't think would call herself a feminist. Tends to come to FWR to argue with the feminists. You screenshot those v carefully to ensure the username wasn't shown, I'd guess.

The thing with FWR is that it is a discussion board that attracts those with opposing views to feminists - you can't then tar FWR with those opposing views.

Don't be silly Spartacus - we're the Borg here, didn't you know

I'm a lesbian mum Sapphos. PP has no problem with me - and I'm sure if she did she would tell me!!

I would imagine that for some, the rather large difference would be whether I'm bringing up my children to believe different relationships or styles of dressing are okay, or whether I'm bringing my children up while encouraging them to believe - what most people think are - blatant lies. No matter what the trans status of that person is.

Where did they call you selfish, Sapphos? I can see posts saying a child has a right to know both their biological parents, which is a view some people hold.

Unless Posie has specifically said this, I'm not sure what relevance it has on this thread tbh - except just more FWR bashing.

I'm a lesbian mum. My thoughts are as long as the child is well loved and cared for the sexuality or gender of the parents is irrelevant... I've been told here on FWR numerous times that my kids have the right to a father and I am selfish for having them in a lesbian relationship. No doubt these same posters agree with Posie that trans men should be sterilised.

And, yet again, you elide the substantive point you're responding to and extrapolating to something which nobody, including Posie, has said. Here is the substantive point again.

Were a lesbian mum to transition, would that person then become the heterosexual father and would that person then have the right to impose that identity and relationship on the child? Would that be in the child's best interests?

As I said previously, given the Freddy McConnell case, the courts agree with Posie: the child's right to its mother supercedes the right of the parent to choose to be its father.

This is consistent with what we now know about the best interests of the child in cases of adoption: they are served better by the truth of material reality and hence best practice is to be honest about this and, in many cases, preserve some, albeit minor, communication with the birth parent. Even though this may make adoptive parents feel insecure at times, it's in the best interests of the child.

Please try to respond to the substance of the points put to you rather than continuing to misrepresent them.

I hope my daughter is a lesbian. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3745854-I-hope-my-daughter-is-a-lesbian

All the posts are still up and I've added screen shots so you don't have to RTFT.

I don't believe that happened either, or if it did it wasn't crushed immediately.

I've been told here on FWR numerous times that my kids have the right to a father and I am selfish for having them in a lesbian relationship.

Link, or it didn't happen.

Who watched the BBC drama Years and Years? If Posie Parker ever did go into actual politics (God help us) it would remind me of the Vivienne Rook character.

Yeah I watched it, and that ^ is bollocks.

Ever heard the left wing women here? Most of us have described ourselves as "politically homeless" - not gone full on right wing. In fact, this whole debate cuts across the right/left wing divide completely.

There was a lot of talk on here about voting tory because of the GRA, but many of us (me included) decided we just couldn't do it. Posie said the same - she couldn't bring herself to vote tory - I can't remember which video she said it on, but I heard her say it. So stop repeating this nonsense that Posie is a right-winger - she's not - she's a (previous) left winger who has a major problem with the Left's obsession with identity politics and gender ideology.

If any left winger on here did decide to vote tory, then fair do's to them - that's between them and the ballot box. Tories did rather well recently, as I recall - and it seems that they did that by not pissing off as many people as Labour has.

I've been told here on FWR numerous times that my kids have the right to a father and I am selfish for having them in a lesbian relationship.

Where? Links please. I believe that you're telling porkies. Prove me wrong.

Sorry, I don't know you, but reading what you have written you seem to have acquired a level of victimhood, plus a propensity to condemn other women without giving them a fair chance.

My version of equality is treating them as I find them, regardless of background or sexuality. In my book being a lesbian might accord you reasonable protection, in lines with the protections offered to women under the same legislation, but it does not make you special. Where I live (central London) lots of kids are growing up in lesbian households. It is not a big deal. The big deal is the quality of parenting.

I do not understand why you feel your lesbian status gives you the right to be severely critical of a number of prominent women, and to patronise posters here.

My understanding was that lesbians generally felt most threatened and erased by gender ideology. I recognise you are entitled to your own views. However I am surprised at your lack of empathy for others. And your apparent support for a ideology that promotes puberty blockers etc, as a solution should adolescent girls exhibit confusion about their sexuality/gender.

One really important gift that parents can give children is the ability and confidence to think critically.

100% agree. And when it comes to LGBT parenting I hope my kids will look at the evidence (formal studies), look at the other families we know, look at their friends being raised by two FTM trans parents and critically evaluate whether these families have the right to exist or not.

When a person such as PP publicly claims it is not in the best interests of the child to be born into an alternative family like the ones I mention, I hope my DC will be able to critically evaluate whether the problem lies with the families or whether the problem lies with Posie.

"No doubt these same posters agree with Posie that trans men should be sterilised."

Is the idea that if you repeat an accusation enough people start to believe it.

One really important gift that parents can give children is the ability and confidence to think critically. Gender or sexuality don't come into it.

Also: I note you have not responded to the core of the different positions on rights of the child vs rights of the parent you yourself precipitated earlier in the thread. Any thoughts?

I'm a lesbian mum. My thoughts are as long as the child is well loved and cared for the sexuality or gender of the parents is irrelevant. Studies on the happiness and wellbeing of kids who have LGBT parents have backed this up.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_parenting

I've been told here on FWR numerous times that my kids have the right to a father and I am selfish for having them in a lesbian relationship. No doubt these same posters agree with Posie that trans men should be sterilised. Fortunately our family doesn't come across these attitudes IRL... at the moment. I worry about attitudes changing and whether the tide will turn.

Seriously, how many times does it have to be pointed out - even within the one thread - that left/right refers only to economic policy?! It's a pretty basic fact to understand for those people who claim to be "on the Left" themselves, as if it means good vs evil. 🙄

Women on the right wing are still women, children of right wing parents are still children. Feminism is for all women, child-ism for all children.

Look. This is a picture of a struggle session from Maoist China. It's an extreme image. It is not pleasant to look at. Nevertheless, it is what the voters who rejected Labour at this election think of the party as it currently exists.

Want people to vote Labour? Want a leftist government that will improve the material conditions of people suffering in this country? Don't make your potential voters think of you as a modern day Red Guard.

It's not difficult.

I am completely onside with Lang and Bovary in relation to the dangers of self ID and the need to protect women and girls. I dont expect for a minute that this means we agree on much else. However I do think we could have a lively, intelligent and respectful discussion

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I reckon we could have a blast! This board is great for bringing together women from a diverse mix of views and backgrounds with a penchant for discussion.

And how many will abandon their left wing roots and go full on right wing, overlooking and brushing the negatives of right wing politics.

And there, you completely misunderstand what has been, and is, happening. Left/right refers to economics. The Tories have moved slightly to the left on the economics with promises of infrastructure investment in the regions and in certain public services, in particular the NHS and police, the public's top priorities. They're even talking about returning some rail lines into public ownership - another move leftwards. This was their electoral offer - less right wing than before. Whether or not these undertakings will be met remains to be seen, of course, but the economic offer moved left.

The public is generally in favour of many moderate left wing economic policies.

Whether you like it or not, what has been rejected is the bourgeois identity-based individualism that has colonised parties purporting to represent the workers, accompanied by a humourless authoritarianism to impose itself on the workers whether they like it or not. Until this is accepted, Labour will remain in the wilderness and will do absolutely no good for any downtrodden demographic in this country. This is not a situation I, as a materialist leftist, take any satisfaction in whatsoever.

Also: I note you have not responded to the core of the different positions on rights of the child vs rights of the parent you yourself precipitated earlier in the thread. Any thoughts?

Let the dogs bark, Sancho. It's a sign that we are moving forward

How many posts are there on this thread now. I honestly don't care what opinions Posie has on other subjects. I totally agree with her on the transgender issue and I love her emphasis on the protection of children.

I was surprised that Atilla the Hun, Pol Pot and Ghengis Khan didn't get a mention grin

Yes, I was wondering when the architects of the Third Reich would make an appearance...

BovaryX

I was surprised that Atilla the Hun, Pol Pot and Ghengis Khan didn't get a mention