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Layla Moran: Potential Lib Dem leadership candidate becomes first MP to come out as pansexual

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stumbledin · 03/01/2020 00:03

Quote: Ms Moran, 37, told PinkNews that she had not previously had same-sex relationships and was “surprised” to find herself attracted to a woman, but added: “Sometimes, when you meet the right person, it just kind of happens.”

She said she was more comfortable with the label “pansexual” than “bisexual” or “gay” because it referred to the idea of love for an individual person for who they are and not their gender or sexual identity.

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AutumnCrow · 03/01/2020 10:43

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/layla-moran-set-to-withdraw-from-liberal-democrat-leadership-race-following-revelations-she-was-a4141586.html

According to this story from May 2019, Moran gets "shaken by the media attention and I think she wants to protect her friends and relatives from being exposed to further scrutiny, which would be unavoidable in a leadership contest.”

Curiouser and curiouser.

Swinson of course got the gig. I always wondered how.

Sexnotgender · 03/01/2020 10:35

www.prweek.com/article/1667821/lib-dems-head-media-suspended-fake-email-allegations

Some more information on Rosy Cobb and the Lib Dem fake email scandal, just in case anyone is interested.

donquixotedelamancha · 03/01/2020 10:30

We just wanted to pop by as we've deleted a few posts on this thread that felt a bit mean or personal. Also, however bewildering some of us might find these issues, we think posts that are only about poking fun at people's declared sexuality are a bit off.

My deleted post had nothing to do with poking fun at sexuality:

I quoted Ms Moran's statement following her arrest for domestic violence, in which she blamed the boyfriend she hit.

I referred to Jo Swinson's views about Lesbians being violent and sarcastically speculated that she had got that impression from knowing Ms Moran.

@MNHQ. Are you sure you have the right balance when you are removing criticism of senior politicians for assaulting their partner in public, then blaming the victim?

Sexnotgender · 03/01/2020 10:29

Well done Layla, you’ve managed to educate a whole load of us about your lovely girlfriend Rosy Cobb, I like others had totally missed the news about her scandalous fake email stunt.

Let’s talk about that because I couldn’t give a shiny shit how you identify.

AutumnCrow · 03/01/2020 10:24

The Lib Dems press office reorganisation that put the inexperienced (in that area) Ms Cobb into the 'Head of' role - I wonder who instigated that?

Thingybob · 03/01/2020 10:23

If someone as staid as Layla identifies as Pansexual then I can't see it being an identity that many youngsters will opt for in the future.

TheBullshitGoesOn · 03/01/2020 10:18

I had missed the story about Ms Cobb of the LibDems allegedly faking emails and being suspended as a result.

Thanks to those who have brought it back into the spotlight so i am now aware. I'm not sure that is what Layla Moran intended.

HebeMumsnet · 03/01/2020 10:18

Morning, all. We just wanted to pop by as we've deleted a few posts on this thread that felt a bit mean or personal. Also, however bewildering some of us might find these issues, we think posts that are only about poking fun at people's declared sexuality are a bit off. There's clearly much more to be discussed here so we'd like to keep the thread on track if we can. Thanks for your help.

LangCleg · 03/01/2020 10:04

Although it seems Lang doesn’t buy Schrödinger's theory.

LOL!

Binterested · 03/01/2020 10:01

Re school Pride, DD was asked to join in her first week at secondary. She’s not shown any hint of interest in matters of sexuality of any description. I was furious. Fortunately she’s been inocculated against the cult by my furious ranting and eye rolling. The school is part of the City of London Corporation and we know they have been infected by some dodgy characters so I was on my guard.

I don’t want young girls who think they might be Lesbians to feel alone. On the other hand I don’t trust Pride or Stonewall or any of them and want them out of schools.

ErrolTheDragon · 03/01/2020 09:56

"In the end, these are all things that don't matter - the thing that matters is the person, and that you love the person."

She says this like it's unusual. I thought it was the norm.Confused that's the starting point, but then whether a relationship is sexual will depend on your sexuality which may be specific or not.

NotBadConsidering · 03/01/2020 09:55

Perhaps they see sex as some wired quantum state

Maybe that’s what transgenderism is. The state of existing as both male and female at the same time, and Moran as a student of physics sees this, but described it as “souls” for parliament to keep it simple for the rest of us.

It's a dead cat. Don't fall for it.

Although it seems Lang doesn’t buy Schrödinger's theory. 🐈

NeurotrashWarrior · 03/01/2020 09:55

A 12 year old should be free to just be herself. school Pride club - wtf, really???

One thing I've noticed is that the stunning and brave is seeping into all kinds of pride stuff. So you're not cool till you've labelled yourself.

It's all so bloody narcissistic.

AutumnCrow · 03/01/2020 09:54

I'm fascinated to know how faking an email for a political Party, and using its resources - drawn from members' subscriptions - to bring in the big gun lawyers to try to silence openDemocracy, is even remotely defensible in Moran's world.

www.prweek.com/article/1667821/lib-dems-head-media-suspended-fake-email-allegations

theflushedzebra · 03/01/2020 09:53

This is the same Rosy Cobb who threatened Sonia - the dodgy dealings surrounding Cobb and the party in relation to A.Challenor are exposed in Sonia's documentary.

Oh it's that person!

I watched Sonia's documentary, and also couldn't believe someone in the Libdems could behave like that.

Falsifying emails is a really serious thing - it's a wonder this didn't come out before the election.

I would be seriously concerned my MP was involved with a person like Rosy Cobb.

AnyFucker · 03/01/2020 09:52

Ooh, Rosy. That's rather a nawty thing you might have done.

Fancy a potential party leader candidate aligning themselves with someone who could be capable of that.

NotAnotherFeckingMuftiDay · 03/01/2020 09:49

Rosy Cobb was involved in this story. Daily Mail

Binterested · 03/01/2020 09:48

Dd told me in all earnestness that one of her friends at school had ‘come out’ as asexual. They were 12.

It made me quite cross actually that this poor young girl had been worried by her absence of sexual feeling and decided - with guidance from the school Pride club - that this must be the reason. As opposed to adults leaving her alone to find her own path in a few years time when she’s not also dealing with new school, blazer too big, don’t like hockey, do like pizza in the canteen but they’ve run out, when was history homework due in, do I like Billie Eilish or not ?

littlbrowndog · 03/01/2020 09:45

So rosy cobb has serious allegations against her

What are the allegations against her ?

AnyFucker · 03/01/2020 09:43

So, what is it again that the fragrant Ms Cobb has allegedly done ?

AutumnCrow · 03/01/2020 09:43

Yes I was using 'Flacking' to try to be witty but was too tired in the early hours to explain it in the end!

@MollyButton You ask, 'Now does anyone know anything about Daisy?' Which Daisy do you mean? Daisy Cooper?

TinselAngel · 03/01/2020 09:42

Let's not forget she was responsible (with Helen Belcher) for burying anti trans widow policy in other proposals and getting it through the party conference, a strategy we've subsequently seen endorsed as a lobbying technique.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3717872-Trans-Widows-the-Liberal-Democrats-and-the-Spousal-Veto

LangCleg · 03/01/2020 09:40

This is the same Rosy Cobb who threatened Sonia - the dodgy dealings surrounding Cobb and the party in relation to A.Challenor are exposed in Sonia's documentary.

Yes. Like I say: the pansexuality bullcrap is a dead cat. Layla wants us to be talking about that, not about the fact that the person she is in a relationship with is Rosy Cobb - the Rosy Cobb with various, serious, allegations against her and that politicians with leadership ambitions should be avoiding like the plague, regardless of sex or sexuality.

Dead cat.

Layla does not want us to be talking about the fact that she is in a relationship with a person who has done the things Rosy Cobb is alleged to have done.

So let's talk about that.

TinselAngel · 03/01/2020 09:39

I think we need to watch our language, as it would be a shame for this thread to be deleted.

My immediate reaction when I heard was "Oh so she has got skin in the game after all".

For me this is about honesty in an elected representative and possible party leader.

Firstly that she portrayed herself as a selfless ally to the LGBT when she was actually one of them. Secondly that she's in a relationship with somebody suspected of dishonesty.

Also- she really wants to be one of the cool girls doesn't she? Hmm

Fieldofgreycorn · 03/01/2020 09:36

Nick Ferrari has just asked a sexuality ‘expert’ on LBC why Layla hasn’t described herself as lesbian or bisexual.