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Spoilt votes - post them here so that the parties/papers can see them

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MrsFogi · 09/12/2019 22:51

I know there is a split of opinion about spoiling ballots vs voting for the least bad option.

If you do decide to spoil your ballot it feel free to post a photo of it here (be careful not to include any information that identifies you and in particular not to include the ballot's unique identification number) in case any of our loitering journalists wish to pick up the story or in the hope of giving the parties/candidates some pause for thought.

In case it is of interest (and you want a place to post your views for/against spoiling ballots), there have been a number of threads about spoiling ballots, a few links below:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3751902-Spoiling-my-ballot?pg=2 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3749890-Can-we-talk-spoiling-ballots-again-sorry
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3743237-advice-on-spoiling-ballot
Advice on Spoiling your vote

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ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 13/12/2019 10:15

I can't find spoiled ballots for my constituency.

Boo

VMisaMarshmallow · 13/12/2019 10:07

Spoiled votes have doubled in my area since 2017. It’s a few hundred, would come close to changing the result, but I don’t know if it’s maybe enough of an increase to be noticed.

LangCleg · 13/12/2019 10:03

The Labour party lost because some of the poorest, most deprived communities desperately pressed what they saw as a possible lever for change

Yep. And if the idiots at posh Labour HQ would only listen, there's still a chance in five years time. The Tories now have the poisoned chalice of Brexit and Labour has five years to work out how to appeal to its core vote.

VMisaMarshmallow · 13/12/2019 10:00

Ok beyond, I was looking at how many voted in my area & trying to figure out where was so tiny they would only have 900 or 9000 voting..... my brains tired, sorry.

There were a few hundred spoiled votes in my area, and the usual Tory fucker won by way way more than that.

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 13/12/2019 09:50

TheBlueStocking you need to change your user name, love. Not a good look to be berating intelligent, critical thinking women from behind a moniker like that.

koshkat · 13/12/2019 09:50

Well I am glad they were defeated so...

TiredofthisBS · 13/12/2019 09:50

We're going to get a lot of your should be ashamed of yourself' comments today. They tried it yesterday because some of us dared to spoil our votes. Today we'll, no doubt, be blamed for Labours defeat.

Raindrops17 · 13/12/2019 09:49

113 rejected ballots in my constituency. I can't find any 2017 stats so not sure if it's increased.

Our constituency also had a recount and labour held with only about 500 majority (was 3000+ last election) so I hope my ballot paper got scrutinised by a few people.

Just a shame labour held, he didn't even bother replying to my email before the election. He will be hearing from me again in due course though.

VMisaMarshmallow · 13/12/2019 09:48

Just that’s a really good post. I’d be personally very happy with a socialist Labour Party, but I agree they need to move with the times. Scotland will either become independent or continue to have snp lead, and England is a different mix without Scotland’s much more working class demographic. Labour need to listen to women (primarily) and listen to the rest of the country. While I’d gladly have dh pay more tax for things like free bus fare for under 25s (our Labour candidate was very pro this) I’m also aware we are a small university city with a lot of money put in cycle routes, lower crime rate than many places and it’s not like our weather is terribly bad even in winter. There’s a lot of cycling, walking, car sharing here and I doubt free bus transport for under 25s makes much difference. Neither does her promise of free tv licences for older people as it’s fairly middle class here and has reasonably low renting costs compared with bigger, poorer cities. While I like policies like these in theory I get why many voters who don’t want tories on ethical grounds won’t vote for policies like these that seem frivolous. With Scotland in the mix, much harsher weather, higher unemployment for young people, harder to access further Ed facilities in some areas due travel, needing to travel further over harder roads to cycle, the cost involved in that and how being poorer over all older people in Scotland are more likely to benefit and possibly more likely to need free tv licences when stuck in more over winter. I’m waffling but you get the point, these types of policies make way more sense in Scotland, especially when the typical mc labour voters like myself and my partner could own a home for a much less than we pay here. I get the difference in needs and Labour should listen. Moving more to the centre doesn’t mean socialist policies are bad, just that people don’t need those as much as they did with Scotland.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 13/12/2019 09:45

Yes Bernard it was a great flounce! Taking my laughs where I can this grey, sad am.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 13/12/2019 09:43

Reading TheBlue post I though for a minute my stroppy 13 year** old nephew had wandered on ... then realised even he has a wider vocabulary Confused

Justhadathought · 13/12/2019 09:41

I imagine you will be disappointed

I'm commenting, not berating......

Justhadathought · 13/12/2019 09:40

But you go on patting yourselves on the back for making decisions that damage the poorest and most vulnerable women in the UK

Still blaming the voters for the Labour party not really listening, are we?

That was another reason I spoiled. Jeremy and the new grassroots movement around him simply would not look at their own shadow.
Poor Frank Field. An honourable man who had served his deprived constituency since 1978 - hounded and bullied.......and he's not been alone in that. The Labour party under Jeremy could not tolerate dissenting voices.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 13/12/2019 09:40

Losing Scotland was always going to mean the end for Labour as well.

Yeah, well, Labour has had over 20 years now since swathes of its Scottish members, including me, left because they didn't listen to what voters were telling them so if anyone is expecting them to learn now I imagine you will be disappointed.

BeyondVotesForFlube · 13/12/2019 09:38

I appreciate the sentiment, but could we stop with the "poor and vulnerable" stuff? Us poor, vulnerable women aren't any more of a hive mind than anyone else!

Justhadathought · 13/12/2019 09:36

lost to Labour because the people there voted Brexit

Justhadathought · 13/12/2019 09:36

I guess they knew what you thought of them in Rother Valley too. And Darlington. And Bolsover. And Blyth Valley. And Redcar. But you carry on blaming everyone but yourselves

You're right! These places were lost to Labour because the Labour party because people their voted Brexit, and Labour equivocated in its stance - because the Labour vote has fractured: the big university towns and the big cities ( some of which still suffer from serious deprivation, though) and the old industrial and rural/ farming heartlands ( of Wales). Trying to keep two very different constituencies on board was impossible.

BeyondVotesForFlube · 13/12/2019 09:36

No, there were 900 votes between lab and con. Usually in the thousands.

slimeandfear · 13/12/2019 09:32

But you go on patting yourselves on the back for making decisions that damage the poorest and most vulnerable women in the UK.

What decisions do we make, pray tell? Do we make cuts to services? No. Do we undermine the safety of women-only crisis services by planning to change the law to allow penis owners in? No.

Those decisions are made by Govts and MPs, not us. I think it's a fair assessment that every one of us would have voted for a party that reversed cuts and made a credible pledge to retain single-sex protections. We were not offered such a party. We are not responsible for the failure of politicians to prioritise women's safety.

One of the oft-stated rules of misogyny is that misogynists hold women responsible for men's actions. Your misogyny is showing, BlueStocking.

Justhadathought · 13/12/2019 09:31

The Labour party lost because some of the poorest, most deprived communities desperately pressed what they saw as a possible lever for change. For decades many constituencies have been neglected & abandoned - and that was by Labour governments too.

Losing Scotland was always going to mean the end for Labour as well. The Labour party is itself fractured and divided, and many good and capable MPs have now either been ejected, left of their volition, or now lost their seat.

Labour is now a party of the big cities in England and university towns, in the main. There needs to be a serious re-evaluation in the Labour party. They cannot simply blame the media, and their own voters for being stupid in rejecting Jeremy's socialist vision. Labour has lots many of us in its current guise. which is why many of us who would have liked to vote Labour could not.

My city, as it happens, is still a sea of red.

VMisaMarshmallow · 13/12/2019 09:27

Beyond - did you just say that 900 people voted & 100 hundred of those were spoilt? Or is that a typo & 9000 voted?

YourOpinionIsNoted · 13/12/2019 09:16

guess they knew what you thought of them in Rother Valley too. And Darlington. And Bolsover. And Blyth Valley. And Redcar. But you carry on blaming everyone but yourselves.

This!! Grow up, take the blame for your own failings, think about how to turn it around. I want to be able to vote for a party with a grip on reality!

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 13/12/2019 09:11

That is such weird plopping.

'You know what I think of you'

Well yeah. But literally nothing else about you. So why would we give a shit?

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 13/12/2019 09:02

In a sense Johnston didn't win the election - Corbyn lost it.

No 'in a sense' about it. The Tory vote barely went up, Labour's collapsed.

Turns out people are sick of the 'woke' authoritarians.

Turns out those of us who have spent four long years pointing out Corbyn was an unelectable fool were right.

TiredofthisBS · 13/12/2019 08:58

Corbyn, the party and its activists lost the election for them not us. If you want to blame someone maybe take a good long hard look at what they did. I will not take the blame for someone else's failings.

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