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Spoilt votes - post them here so that the parties/papers can see them

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MrsFogi · 09/12/2019 22:51

I know there is a split of opinion about spoiling ballots vs voting for the least bad option.

If you do decide to spoil your ballot it feel free to post a photo of it here (be careful not to include any information that identifies you and in particular not to include the ballot's unique identification number) in case any of our loitering journalists wish to pick up the story or in the hope of giving the parties/candidates some pause for thought.

In case it is of interest (and you want a place to post your views for/against spoiling ballots), there have been a number of threads about spoiling ballots, a few links below:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3751902-Spoiling-my-ballot?pg=2 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3749890-Can-we-talk-spoiling-ballots-again-sorry
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3743237-advice-on-spoiling-ballot
Advice on Spoiling your vote

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AudacityOfHope · 12/12/2019 07:41

Been here for 12 years and am very GC but carry on with your paranoia.

PJsatMidday · 12/12/2019 07:37

Funny how loads of people, whose names I have never seen on this board, have popped in to shout at us to stop being silly little women and vote to stop the Tories. Hello Momentum.

IfWishesWereFishes · 12/12/2019 06:57

Ok, you write your wee notes and everyone else will understand that no party is perfect but you try to get as close as you can with your vote, then work from there.

Yawn right back atcha.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 11/12/2019 23:31

Good idea about sticky notes. I'll be writing 'stop destroying the right of my 9 year old daughter to single sex spaces' and 'woman = adult human female' and maybe 'my vote goes to any party who will protect the right of girls to single sex spaces for their privacy, dignity and safety'. I may have to write in tiny letters!

Also thinking of putting XX in all boxes.

Hazard I hope you are writing to both Labour and Lib Dem leadership to express your unhappiness that they are throwing away the votes of women who would otherwise have voted for them if they weren't dismantling safeguarding around children. Has no-one told them that attacking the rights of children is not going to go down well with their parents?

Given their explicit policy is to help to 'validate' the 1% at the expense of safety, privacy and dignity of the 51% they obviously don't give too much of a shit about possible deaths from Tory policies. Because it's a batshit anti-science and anti-common sense policy and third spaces would solve all problems without any issues. Everyone would be happy - except the paedophiles of course.

Ereshkigal · 11/12/2019 23:30

don't 'expect' anyone to vote any party to do anything. Don't make shit up.

Yes you do. "If you let the Tories back in you're a terrible selfish person"

How about you stop making shit up?

Ereshkigal · 11/12/2019 23:27

I won't be endorsing parties that are happy to abolish the legal status of women.

THIS

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OccasionalKite · 11/12/2019 23:19

Yes, I think it is easier to write out a few sticky labels tonight, with relevant and succinct points regarding women's hard-won sex-based rights, and the current threat to our much-needed single-sex spaces.

If in doubt, or if what you feel can't be contained on a single sticky label: there's always
"Woman = Adult Human Female"
and
"Women Don't Have Penises

for example.

And if you have purple and green felt-tips or Sharpies or colouring pencils - yeah, use them too!

FlyingOink · 11/12/2019 23:17

this issue is very important, but so are many many others, and I find it pretty selfish
Yawn

200000 people will have died avoidable deaths by the end of 2020 thanks to Tory policy
Yet Labour and the Lib Dems are more interested in appealing to genderists than listening to women so I guess they're not that invested in removing the Conservatives.
Who has more of a chance to stop deaths caused by austerity? Me as a single voter, or Jeremy Corbyn, the Leader of HM Opposition?
I'm not falling for the emotional blackmail spiel, if they want to throw votes away that's on them.
I won't be endorsing parties that are happy to abolish the legal status of women.

IfWishesWereFishes · 11/12/2019 23:02

If that's what I was doing you'd have a point right enough.

Wasn't aware that having a different opinion to you was shameful.

IfWishesWereFishes · 11/12/2019 23:00

Jesus settle your indignation at someone joining the conversation despite not having time to read each of the 104 comments on the thread already @ShesDressedInBlackAgain

I would suggest that your sarky response is more rude than my post which was delivered with an apology actually in it, but what the fuck would I know.

Hazardexhausted · 11/12/2019 22:59

Gentle reminder tactical voting is available. Unprecedented medication shortages are not fun, it's happened to my family and i dont want it to happen to any one else. 200000 people will have died avoidable deaths by the end of 2020 thanks to Tory policy.

OccasionalKite · 11/12/2019 22:59

Justhadathought

That's a good clarification; I may write up another sticky label with that. Thank you!

HandsOffMyRights

Yes, green and purple felt-tips or sharpies!

HandsOffMyRights · 11/12/2019 22:57

And I find it apalling that you are trying to shame women into voting for parties that will decimate women's rights.

IfWishesWereFishes · 11/12/2019 22:55

I don't 'expect' anyone to vote any party to do anything. Don't make shit up.

What I'm saying is, this issue is very important, but so are many many others, and I find it pretty selfish that you're willing to shelve things like the NHS, so that you can write 'lesbians don't have penises' on a piece of paper that nobody will ever read.

HandsOffMyRights · 11/12/2019 22:46

Good idea Kate.

I was taking a Sharpie, but pre-preparing my objections in purple and green will be easier.

Justhadathought · 11/12/2019 22:46

My sticky label says:

Transwomen are men: women require single sex services, spaces and sports for their own dignity, comfort and safety

I do, also, have other reasons for spoiling my ballot, though.

Justhadathought · 11/12/2019 22:43

Whatever happens...I hope Boris loses his seat......I suspect there will be a fair few surprises: Michael Portillo and Nick Clegg moments......

OccasionalKite · 11/12/2019 22:40

Some excellent posts on this thread.

Written out a number of sticky labels with the short comments I wish to make as I spoil my ballot tomorrow; have folded them neatly and put them in the back pocket of my jeans.

My sticky labels include "Woman = adult human female" and "Women don't have penises".

When I get to the polling booth tomorrow, I just peel them off the backing and stick them on the ballot paper. Won't have to stand there scribbling furiously with the stubby pencil for five minutes.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 11/12/2019 22:18

I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if this has been discussed

It has. RTFT. It's frankly just rude to ask people questions that they have repeatedly answered and then take the moral high ground on them. Hmm

VMisaMarshmallow · 11/12/2019 21:57

Stum has that ever worked in the history of politics as of yet? Once they are in they are in, they won’t care again until the next election and the candidates who don’t get in are more likely to care than those who did (hence why I’m emailing them all to explain they will get my spoiled vote next time if they will stand against their party on self ID votes).

I get voting for a candidate who is willing to be opening critical of self ID bill and confirms they will stand against their party on this. But voting for them then telling them you don’t support their stance on self ID is rather like bolting the stable door once the horse has bolted. Which is apt as trans stallions are called geldings not mares ; )

stumbledin · 11/12/2019 21:47

Having thought about this a bit and read most of the posts, have thought of another option. (All of this because there is no party supporting women's sex based rights).

If there is a party whose main politcies you agree with maybe vote for them, and should the candidate get in email or even write and say you voted but absolutely do not support their position on the GRA and that they should be aware you do not endorse them and will be monitoring their participation in the GRA discussions, changes.

We could set up a GRA monitoring group. List all the new MPs who got a vote despite their parties lack of support for women's rights, and then list whether they even bother to participate or vote on the issue in the next Parliament.

This keeps it a live issue as I am sure the next few months / years will be Brexit grandstanding.

My potential MP has stated she is personally committed to ensure women's rights as under the EA are maintained but as her Party (Labour) isn't, not sure what to do. But may contact her after election as I am assuming she will get in as it is a safe seat.

Ereshkigal · 11/12/2019 21:47

Because they will take my vote as an endorsement of all their policies. They always do - all parties do. They will take MY vote as an endorsement of their appalling, anti-women's rights policies.

They can fuck right off.

This. And this is exactly why I'm spoiling my ballot. And I don't give a fuck if people disapprove or scold.

Here again, for people who can't be arsed to read, is my position.

Ereshkigal · 11/12/2019 21:45

What a strange question- plenty of people will be voting Tory- plenty of women will be voting Tory. I would except my constituency is Lib Dem /SNP contest so Lib Dem gets my vote.

It's not a "strange question", the poster made it perfectly clear that they expected others to vote to get the Tories out. Do keep up.

Muststopfaffing · 11/12/2019 21:28

VMisamarshmallow
If I could, I would like your post a million times. You have captured how I feel exactly. I started one of the threads on spoiling my ballot and earlier today had resigned myself to voting Labour, thinking JC won’t be leader forever but then I read his answer to the GRA question and I’m back to spoiling it. I live in a very safe Tory seat so my vote never counts anyway.