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Spoilt votes - post them here so that the parties/papers can see them

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MrsFogi · 09/12/2019 22:51

I know there is a split of opinion about spoiling ballots vs voting for the least bad option.

If you do decide to spoil your ballot it feel free to post a photo of it here (be careful not to include any information that identifies you and in particular not to include the ballot's unique identification number) in case any of our loitering journalists wish to pick up the story or in the hope of giving the parties/candidates some pause for thought.

In case it is of interest (and you want a place to post your views for/against spoiling ballots), there have been a number of threads about spoiling ballots, a few links below:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3751902-Spoiling-my-ballot?pg=2 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3749890-Can-we-talk-spoiling-ballots-again-sorry
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3743237-advice-on-spoiling-ballot
Advice on Spoiling your vote

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CriticalCondition · 12/12/2019 13:40

Spoilt my ballot with pre-written stickers.

In purple and green 'NONE', 'NO TO SELF ID' and 'WOMAN = ADULT HUMAN FEMALE'.

It's a very safe seat so I fully recognise that I had an easier decision than some. I really feel for others in more marginal constituencies.

I have never before thought so hard about how to cast my vote. I don't care if nobody reads it. It still 'counts' both in swelling the numbers of spoiled ballots, which may become a phenomenon in this election, and more importantly, with my conscience.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 12/12/2019 13:40

Meant "rights" obv. Although quality, affordable hosiery is also important Confused

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 12/12/2019 13:38

there are more people for a GRC reform then against

Cool story bro.

// this

I'm imagining some strange time spin or loop happening whereby the suffragettes were with us today -

Bear with me, a poster up thread asked us to ponder for a moment that humans could change sex so I promise mine isn't the most ridiculous contribution yet ...

  • and they're fighting and campaigning for our rights today. How many transwomen would stand with them and fight for our tights?

What have TRAs done to better the lives of (biological) women? How much have they done to end the violence inflicted by men on us every day?

BeardedVulture · 12/12/2019 13:32

TiredofthisBS
They're out in force on my local Facebook group. It's relentless. If I was a floating voter their behaviour would have put me off of voting labour.

Even if it wasn't for self-ID, Momentum and Magic Grandad would have put me off voting Labour.

GrandmaMazur · 12/12/2019 13:29

I've also spoiled my ballot. I thought long and hard about doing so before making my decision and was nearly in tears at the polling station. But I just couldn't in all conscience give my vote to a party who ignores women.

I used green and purple pens and wrote in a box at the bottom 'None of the above' then wrote across the ballot:
No party supports women
Women matter
No to self-ID
Women are not non-men

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 12/12/2019 13:29

Thank you @GCAcademic.
I'm taking my DDs with me after school- they are only 6&8 but hopefully they can begin to understand the importance of voting (and spoiling if necessary)

YogaDrone · 12/12/2019 13:27

DP and I both spoiled. We wrote "No Self ID, WOMAN = ADULT HUMAN FEMALE"

No photos as the polling station people outnumbered us two to one and I didn't want to risk it.

I almost wavered and voted Labour as usual (muscle memory perhaps? Grin ) although in my constituency voting labour is as pointless as spoiling. In fact there will probably be far more spoiled ballots than Labour votes even without DP and I protest spoiling!

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 12/12/2019 13:27

I'm in a lib dem Tory marginal

I think i'm going to vote tory rather than spoil later. It would be worse for women if the lib dems got a seat hear than the Tories, so I think I have to act accordingly

GCAcademic · 12/12/2019 13:24

Sorry if I missed something- but are spoiled ballots counted in any way publically? Or will it count as no show?

No they are counted. Both numerically and in terms of voter turnout %.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 12/12/2019 13:24

Only Thanks

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 12/12/2019 13:22

Purple ... that would be fucking glorious Grin

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 12/12/2019 13:21

Sorry if I missed something- but are spoiled ballots counted in any way publically? Or will it count as no show?

Im struggling with my conscience about the 4 options- Con, Lab, Laden, Green- but after not being able to vote for a few years I want my vote to 'count' as it were.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 12/12/2019 13:20

I've just seen the Owen Jones thread and momentum can fucking do one. Angry

GCAcademic · 12/12/2019 13:18

They're out in force on my local Facebook group. It's relentless. If I was a floating voter their behaviour would have put me off of voting labour.

I've always been a bit of a floating voter. It's certainly put me off. Even without the self-ID stuff, I find the authoritarianism, tribalism and narrowness of viewpoint that Momentum has brought to the Labour party really chilling.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 12/12/2019 13:16

Momentum are almost as responsible for longtime Labour voters not wanting to vote for them as self ID is. How can they possible admit that? If they did they'd have to stop doing what they're doing.

TiredofthisBS · 12/12/2019 13:10

They're out in force on my local Facebook group. It's relentless. If I was a floating voter their behaviour would have put me off of voting labour.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 12/12/2019 13:09

Momentum are out in force today!

They brought this on themselves. They deliberately and purposely shat all over women and are now whining that the same women won't vote for them?

I don't know how they have the nerve, frankly.

VMisaMarshmallow · 12/12/2019 13:08

If they are expecting ballot spoiling then it’s obvious that discussions here and else where, and emailing candidates about intent to spoil are getting out.

I just lost the fucking plot (I have a number of other personal things I am super upset about this last few weeks, normally I can have reasonable conversations with canvassers) at a Lib Dem candidate who just turned up on my door step. He stood far back, ‘oh hi incase you don’t know it’s voting day today’ (fucking patronising) and then I said ‘go to hell you fucking bigot’ (like I said lost the plot) and he looked like he was expecting that, no confusion on his face, no questions as to why, and my daughter asked whose that and I answered ‘a man who hates women’ and again it was like he expected it. So I’d guess some are getting the message, they may not like the message but they get the amount of women who will not vote for them based on self ID stance. I’d class that as a really good outcome of spoiling, and more than expected imo as being able to live with myself knowing I supported any party who erased my daughters rights was my reason for not voting for any candidate available.

PJsatMidday · 12/12/2019 13:05

Momentum are out in force today!

Funny how there's nobody on this and the other thread about spoiling ballots demanding we vote for the Tories. It's always the same, you must vote to get the Tories out . Not, you should vote to exercise your democratic right to be counted. Except that I will be counted, because a protest vote is still a vote.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 12/12/2019 13:03

I have never done this before. But couldn’t bring myself to vote Tory for obvious reasons and certainly couldn’t vote for any other of my options.

Spoilt votes -  post them here so that the parties/papers can see them
ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 12/12/2019 12:59

@ShesDressedInBlackAgainare you 12?

Grin

No. And one way I demonstrate my huge maturity is by not making shit up in order to manipulate people in such a transparent fashion that my six year old could see it.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 12/12/2019 12:48

Thanks @PJsatMidday, @bellinisurge and @WotchaTalkinBoutWillis.

I'm going to have to decide when I get there.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 12/12/2019 12:45

And even fewer than that will be in favor once they understand what it means. Which is why some were rather hoping to prevent that from happening.

Must sting to see "no debate" failing.

PJsatMidday · 12/12/2019 12:45

STDG there is no hard or fast answer to that question. Anything other than a single X against a single name is technically a spoiled ballot. However, if it's a close run thing resulting in a recount, a ballot such as yours might be claimed by the candidate against whose name you put a X. It would be up to the other candidates to argue that is is not a valid vote.

LangCleg · 12/12/2019 12:41

Because some minor issue that you will never be able to change because there are more people for a GRC reform then against.

Between 67% and 83% of the population is against GRA reform to self-ID. This definition of "more" is indicative of your understanding of this topic.

Why do you want us to cast votes in favour of sterilising girls who are autistic, proto-lesbian, or are carrying trauma from sexual abuse?