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Spoilt votes - post them here so that the parties/papers can see them

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MrsFogi · 09/12/2019 22:51

I know there is a split of opinion about spoiling ballots vs voting for the least bad option.

If you do decide to spoil your ballot it feel free to post a photo of it here (be careful not to include any information that identifies you and in particular not to include the ballot's unique identification number) in case any of our loitering journalists wish to pick up the story or in the hope of giving the parties/candidates some pause for thought.

In case it is of interest (and you want a place to post your views for/against spoiling ballots), there have been a number of threads about spoiling ballots, a few links below:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3751902-Spoiling-my-ballot?pg=2 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3749890-Can-we-talk-spoiling-ballots-again-sorry
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3743237-advice-on-spoiling-ballot
Advice on Spoiling your vote

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Alltheprettyseahorses · 12/12/2019 17:41

Corbyn and Labour are no better DuckWillow. It wasn't Tories who violently attacked a women's meeting. It wasn't Tories who viciously abused a group of Jewish people last night either come to think of it.

HandsOffMyRights · 12/12/2019 17:41

Thanks to Maiden Duck and co, my husband is going to spoil his paper too.

We have some pretty purple and green Pentels too.

Justhadathought · 12/12/2019 17:40

All I’m saying is if you don’t agree with something then actively do something. Don’t leave it to the last day then scribble on a piece of paper and expect anything to change 🤷‍♀️ common sense really

I suspect that many of these lecturing voices that have appeared In order to patronise are of the Labour/Momentum variety. And for those of us who have long been Labour voters, this is one of the reasons that we now feel politically homeless. Along with the general wokeism and preaching, there is a great intolerance for disagreement. Anyone who does not sing from the hymn sheet is morally suspect or a 'phobe' of some sort or other' or else a 'Blairite' - and they, of course, are to be despised.

The Labour party, under Jeremy Corbyn, has become a party of intolerance - while simultaneously, & ironically, flying a flag of 'equality' and 'tolerance'.

And any party with Dawn Butler on the front bench is never going to get my vote.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 12/12/2019 17:39

Gosh the breathtaking arrogance of assuming that we're not doing anything IRL when there are many many threads on here detailing how we ARE actively doing something IRL. The breathtaking arrogance of telling us we don't know about 'other issues' like the NHS even though it's been demonstrated multiple times that we do. What it is these posters with their huge egos and superiority complexes don't understand about how self ID changes EVERYTHING for women.

And even if that wasn't so - this is still true

None of them are dealing in actual REALITY. If they can do this over something so straightforward as binary sex, who knows what else they'll redefine to suit?

Anti-scientific reality is not a good look.

VMisaMarshmallow · 12/12/2019 17:39

Gosh Duck thank you so much for explaining that to my little woman brain, I’m so enlightened now.

TiredofthisBS · 12/12/2019 17:38

Don't be so condescending @DuckWillow I'll not comment on your choice in the ballot box, who do you think you are to comment on mine?

VMisaMarshmallow · 12/12/2019 17:37

Maid p*off and read the whole thread. This has been answered 50times already. Stop being so lazy when you are banging us over the head to shut us up, we are much tougher than that. Now go send in one of you’re other awa friends. I plan to watch Lisa Nova in the bath with a glass of wine so will be very happy to tell you what a muppet you are to all you’re different names for ages yet.

HandsOffMyRights · 12/12/2019 17:37

Oh, the Suffragettes were great improvisers, using cheap and immediate forms of communication such as writing on pavements or distributing flyers to make sure the message travelled far and wide.

To those who dismiss us, who say the spoilt papers won't make a jot of difference, I beg to differ.

There's already media coverage on how women are disenfranchised. There will be lots of social media highlighting the spoilt papers.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 12/12/2019 17:36

I don't know about anyone else but I dgaf when certain posters whinge about other issues. Women WILL come first. There absolutely is no bigger issue than the rights - the PERSONHOOD - of 51% of the population. Maybe they think that mums are unconditionally caring and self-sacrificing and only ever think of others. In reality, being a mum makes me immune to guilt trips.

DuckWillow · 12/12/2019 17:36

Anyway the Conservatives will win. And don't forget they are lead by a man who thinks women are only worth a quick shag and that they can then be left alone with an unacknowledged baby. All the while he hates lone parents.

But yes you've put pretty stickers and colours on your ballot papers.

Well done. That'll learn em all Hmm

maidenover · 12/12/2019 17:35

ps I’m not a labour voter I never have been, but anyone not actively voting against this conservative government and the shit show is complicit in allowing them back in to put the final nail in the coffin of this countries future.

TiredofthisBS · 12/12/2019 17:35

And just how do you expect us to vote for people who can't or won't represent us?

raisinseverywhere · 12/12/2019 17:34

Maidenover - I agree with all those issues, and I would never vote Tory. However, I absolutely cannot vote for Labour this time due to antisemitism. So LD and Green were the only other alternatives - which I also felt didn’t deserve my vote.

TiredofthisBS · 12/12/2019 17:34

Sorry that last bit was to Maiden

louiseaaa · 12/12/2019 17:33

Spoiled mine

And so did my 18 year old son, in solidarity

(naysayers can fvuck off>

TiredofthisBS · 12/12/2019 17:33

Sounds familiar @HandsOffMyRights Grin Women rights are interlinked to the 'bigger issues'.

VMisaMarshmallow · 12/12/2019 17:33

Wibble - you can, in every local election going.

I always thought I cared about politics, although made an effort to be informed, but rarely bothered voting in this. Sort a postal vote and you’ll never skip them again. Spoil every time and email round that you’ll vote for whoever stands up publicly and politically against self ID.

OvertheInfluence · 12/12/2019 17:31

Vote spoiled, I have never felt that I was so unrepresented in a vote before but not one party is an option I can consider in good conscience.

I hope to fuck that someone pays attention and actually starts to listen to what women are saying.

No to Self ID
Sex not Gender

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 12/12/2019 17:31

All I’m saying is if you don’t agree with something then actively do something

You’ve obviously missed the posts (mine included) outlining what else we’ve done? Writing to candidates, engaging with canvassers, reading manifestos? Not to mention all the dozens and dozens of meetings organised and attended, information shared, protests supported, policy changes objected to before today. What makes you think you’re the only one politicking the right way?

HandsOffMyRights · 12/12/2019 17:31

The Suffragettes were vilified - mainly by men, though other women would join in the witch hunt.

Caricatures of rabid, selfish, old hags who'd lost their minds. I've just been reminding myself of the propaganda.

Hope you would be one of those spinning yarns, painting women to be selfish and silly, hoping to put us in our place.

I've not seen any swearing. It's yet another myth you're force feeding on here.

Are you really that desperate to prevent women from exercising their democratic rights?

OccasionalKite · 12/12/2019 17:31

Vote duly spoiled, using stickers pre-written in purple and green.
NO to all candidates
NO to gender self-ID
NO to the planned erasure of women's sex-based rights
Women don't have penises
Woman = Adult Human Female
and one or two more.
It was the only legitimate choice for me, in the current political climate.

TiredofthisBS · 12/12/2019 17:30

@howlsmovingcastle84 It would seem so! Good. Let them see how angry we are.

AbsintheFriends · 12/12/2019 17:30

I've given a lot of thought to how the suffragettes would feel about it.

I think mostly they'd be OK with it (it's important to remember that 'suffragettes' were not one homogenous lot, and there was a huge range of opinion within the WSPU and other organisations like the NUWSS.) They scaled the first, and steepest face of the mountain and raised us to a position where equality actually appeared to be a possibility, at least.

We're still climbing towards that mystical summit, but now our foothold - hell, our position on the mountain at all, to stretch the analogy - is becoming increasingly insecure, because suddenly the rules of reality have been changed, without anyone's say so. Language and biology have been redefined in a way I don't think they could ever have imagined in their most paranoid nightmares. And the political system they campaigned for us to participate in is colluding in the nudging of women towards the abyss.

I think the suffragettes - those smart, savvy women who together came up with innovative and extreme ways of getting their voices and their message heard - would agree that as the political system has begun to actively work against women, it's time for women to work against the political system.

maidenover · 12/12/2019 17:29

There are so many important issues at stake in this election and you chose to waste your opportunity to vote over this.

I get you want to protest this issue, but doing it this way is a waste of time and displays a level of ignorance towards other vital issues, such as the NHS, education, social care, employment rights, climate change and more, that is astounding.

VMisaMarshmallow · 12/12/2019 17:28

As a side note (because I don’t want this in a thread to the dick heads)

  • makes me think of davedays from YouTube, which makes me feel old, and makes me wish Lisa Nova was around to do JS babbling about violent lesbians because fucking hell that would be funny!! Off to see if yt still has the ‘Lisa Nova has Davedays baby’!!
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