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Spoilt votes - post them here so that the parties/papers can see them

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MrsFogi · 09/12/2019 22:51

I know there is a split of opinion about spoiling ballots vs voting for the least bad option.

If you do decide to spoil your ballot it feel free to post a photo of it here (be careful not to include any information that identifies you and in particular not to include the ballot's unique identification number) in case any of our loitering journalists wish to pick up the story or in the hope of giving the parties/candidates some pause for thought.

In case it is of interest (and you want a place to post your views for/against spoiling ballots), there have been a number of threads about spoiling ballots, a few links below:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3751902-Spoiling-my-ballot?pg=2 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3749890-Can-we-talk-spoiling-ballots-again-sorry
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3743237-advice-on-spoiling-ballot
Advice on Spoiling your vote

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TiredofthisBS · 12/12/2019 20:20

Just going to leave this here for any new thread ploppers.

Spoilt votes -  post them here so that the parties/papers can see them
ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 12/12/2019 20:20

No you didn't disagree. You said it was 'cowardly'.

Totally uninflamatory.

Justhadathought · 12/12/2019 20:20

You shouldn’t be taking photos inside polling booths and if you can be bothered to make your way to a polling station surely you can be bothered to research each party and make a decision like a grown up

@hopeforthemany . This was your first post. Provocative, no?

PJsatMidday · 12/12/2019 20:18

Cross posted with everyone.

Yeah, I don't understand the cowardly for filling in a ballot thing either.

Anyway, ballot now spoiled. Thank you for the PP who said they put the Venus symbol in every box, inspired and copied, plus "Woman = Adult Human Female written across the names. I then attached my picture of the suffragettes (the one at the top of this thread), which had some other wording in the suffrage colours, no to self -ID etc. Very open voting booths with hardly any room between those and the officials' desk, so no chance to take a picture (I'll be complaining about the proximity).

Feeling angry and sad, but I have a clear conscience.

TiredofthisBS · 12/12/2019 20:18

Not another one HmmJust read all of the thread 90's.

HandsOffMyRights · 12/12/2019 20:17

If you're confused then I suggest you read the full thread.

Hopeforthemany · 12/12/2019 20:16

@MsMcWibble I’m sorry I was under the impression this was a discussion board. My mistake.

I haven’t told anyone how to vote I have just disagreed with spoiling papers. I haven’t disagreed with why people have done it.

Maybe ask mumsnet to move this if you only want people who frequent the board to comment. That’s not me being patronising I’m trying to be helpful

90schic · 12/12/2019 20:15

What is feminist about spoiling your vote? Genuinely confused Confused didn’t women fight and die for the vote. Makes me sad thinking you would throw it away. Surely there must be something you like about ONE party. You might as well spit in the suffragettes faces

Whyjustwhy23 · 12/12/2019 20:11

No photo as I daren’t, but for the first time in my life (I’ve always voted Tory except once for a green in the euros) I have spoilt my ballot.

Feel like a charlatan but even my Independents that could have been an option are total fucking idiots.

One wants to force BREXIT by MAKING Ireland leave the EU ARGH.

Justhadathought · 12/12/2019 20:11

This isn’t feminism it’s bullying

We're all different; & yes, some are definitely more 'spiky' than others. That's got nothing to do with women's rights issues, though - it is just personality and character differences.

PJsatMidday · 12/12/2019 20:09

"Awful" and "mean" now, to add to "disappointing and disgusting". You complain about meaness, and yet you call us cowardly. While you are hectoring us to vote for your chosen party; on a support thread for a group of highly intelligent, hugely informed women who have reached the end of their tether with the political class and taken the considered decision to become vote spoilers, not a debate thread about whether or not to spoil your vote. If you want people to vote for your party, start and thread and persuade people why their policies are good enough to vote for. You have simply wasted several hours name calling and painting yourself as a victim when people won't do as you you tell them.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 12/12/2019 20:09

Actually I said it was cowardly to hide behind a anonymous piece for paper.

That makes no sense. How is spoiling a vote any more cowardly than voting?Weird argument Confused

I have even been swore at by some members

Have you called South Yorkshire police? They will totally help you.

I didn’t realise the feminist forum was just for women who frequent it regularly. Maybe best you make a private group if you don’t want strangers coming across it with their own opinions.

We do. Some of them are interesting. But we reserve the right to argue with you when you come to tell us how we should be behaving.

Anyway - you want south Yorkshire police. Or possibly one of the Sussex forces. Make sure you highlight the fact that we're doing feminism wrong.

Justhadathought · 12/12/2019 20:08

I didn’t realise the feminist forum was just for women who frequent it regularly. Maybe best you make a private group if you don’t want strangers coming across it with their own opinions

It isn't! I'm relatively new to it, myself. It is the only board I look at on mumsnet - because it is one of the few places you can come for a real discussion of the issues surrounding transgender ideology.

But you must have noticed that this particular thread was one for people who had decided to spoil their ballots. These discussions have been going on for weeks on this board. There are multiple threads dedicated to the election and the party manifestos etc. So most people are familiar with other user names.

I'm not sure how you navigated your way here Via Mumsnet in general? It's just that these boards are frequently trolled by people who just come to get a rise. Not saying you were doing that...but you did tell people they were "cowardly".

People feel very strongly about the issues that have led them to spoil. Otherwise they would not be doing it.

AppleTree76 · 12/12/2019 20:06

@bd67th I understand that , and has someone who has been both raped and sexually abused by a male and a female, I am female! So I get why people would be worried but the people who hurt me were not transgender!

Cuntysnark · 12/12/2019 20:05

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg Solidarity sister.

MsMcWibble · 12/12/2019 20:03

Hope I think you've been incredibly rude. This is a thread for people to tell others about spoiling their ballot. It is not for a discussion about whether we should do what you want.
Please feel free to start another thread. Maybe you'll get some takers.
Otherwise, please read the room.

TiredofthisBS · 12/12/2019 20:01

' I have re read this thread and some of the reply’s to people that disagree with spoiling papers have been awful and mean. This isn’t feminism it’s bullying.'

Have you read a different thread? Because all I've seen is posters I've not seen before coming on here, write insulting and condescending things and telling us how we should vote and that we are bad people for spoiling our votes and wrong.

Justhadathought · 12/12/2019 20:01

I’m sorry if I came across patronising but that’s doesn’t deflect from the fact is was wrong of you and others to make assumptions that I was a man

I'm not sure where you get that from? At no time did I imagine you to be anything other than female.

Quite often people do come onto this board, though insult people and their intelligence, then when people respond in a forthright way - say things like " if that's feminism I want nothing to do with it...."

FTFOTFVille · 12/12/2019 19:53

Some people here think I've let everyone down by spoiling my vote.

Well at least I did not let myself down. Any vote would have been a lie, they do not represent my views.

Hopeforthemany · 12/12/2019 19:52

@Justhadathought
to tell people they were silly, stupid, misguided, naive, wasting their time......???

Actually I said it was cowardly to hide behind a anonymous piece for paper.

I’m sorry if I came across patronising but that’s doesn’t deflect from the fact is was wrong of you and others to make assumptions that I was a man, had no children, wasn't professional and was young. I have even been swore at by some members.

I didn’t realise the feminist forum was just for women who frequent it regularly. Maybe best you make a private group if you don’t want strangers coming across it with their own opinions.

I have re read this thread and some of the reply’s to people that disagree with spoiling papers have been awful and mean. This isn’t feminism it’s bullying.

bd67th · 12/12/2019 19:49

Appletree76 Women in this thread have said over and over again why women's rights, sex-based rights that reflect how rape can ruin our lives and leave us pregnant, are important. RTFT, don't just seagull, it's really bad form.

babynewt · 12/12/2019 19:39

my individual (spoiled) vote will not make a difference, I'm in a marginal with the conservatives just ahead of labour (2017 results) however, I am one person of the female class that female class is 50% of the electorate. I would have voted labour but this was so fundamental for me.
Keep the momementum, with getting womens voices noticed, think they might just rethink in the long term, those who have need to let their MP know the reasons for their no-vote.

HandsOffMyRights · 12/12/2019 19:34

I met with my MP and have written to them on and off for 18 months now. They were "too busy" to attend the Fairplay/WPUK meeting in Westminster - Brexit was the reason.

I have also persuaded friends and family members to do the same. One of their MPs is Jess Philips, who was too busy meeting with Amnesty (please check out their record on female rights) Angry

But we've just been sat around sniffing Magic Markers right?

MagnificentTrousers · 12/12/2019 19:30

Blimey - so many people telling us what to do! I personally haven't told one single person how they should vote, or even that they should vote. I suspect my partner will vote Tory when he comes home tonight, BUT he totally gets why I spoiled my ballot, and I get why he's going to vote as he is. Because we're grown-ups and we get that people have different points of view. I won't deny that I've tried to enlighten him, especially as we have a daughter, but his vote is his vote. (I wouldn't be surprised if he actually draws a cock and balls or a pair of knockers on his ballot in solidarity at the last minute though.)

I have emailed/tweeted all of our local candidates several times, and the only one that bothered to respond basically told me to like it or lump it, so I've decided to do neither, I DON'T like it and I WONT lump it.

Spoiling my ballot says "none of you are representing me", and I don't care that it might not be read. I'm exercising my democratic right to vote or spoil as I like, whilst I've got a chance to say what I like before being arrested for hate crimes.

AnotherNightWatering · 12/12/2019 19:25

If everyone that spoilt their paper had emailed local MPs/newspapers to voice their opinions then it would of had a much bigger impact.
I spoke in person to my MP, as well as emailing them. Fat lot of good it did.

After reading this thread, with comments like the one above, I decided to spoil my ballot paper. And so did my DH. Not for publicity - no doubt it'll make no difference to anyone else. But for me. I can't vote for any of them.