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Lib Dems Women's Declaration!

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DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 17/11/2019 21:34

Some GC Lib Dem women have started a Women's Declaration.

Please sign and share. You don't need to be a member, and you can sign it anonymously.

www.ipetitions.com/petition/lib-dem-sex-based-rights-declaration

I know they've been a bit of a shit show of late but there are some members who do understand biology and who want to balance rights for all. It ain't perfect but it's a start.

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AdaFromYorkshire · 19/11/2019 15:18

I emailed my local LibDem candidate to ask if they were supporting this. The reply is that the petition is not affiliated with the LibDem party and that they will not be supporting anything which reduces the rights of transwomen to be in women's spaces.

Hmmm.

RoyalCorgi · 19/11/2019 14:51

All the parties have drunk the kool-aid. The only way we're going to fight this successfully is from within. So good on the Lib Dem gc feminists and better late than never.

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DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 19/11/2019 14:44

I've been sent this.
On a Facebook group for Lib Dem Campaigners, someone has stated that the declaration is watering down commitment to trans rights, and asking campaigners NOT to support women's rights.

I'm shocked. Don't know whether a man or woman (or if they are trans) wrote that.

So sad that people are prepared to give away women's rights like this.

Lib Dems Women's Declaration!
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stumbledin · 19/11/2019 00:11

The info about Natalie Bird and the mumsnet thread are on the first page of this thread!

apples24 · 18/11/2019 20:48

Signed. I too used to be a fee paying membrane but cancelled my membership a while back quoting this as the reason.

GeordieTerf · 18/11/2019 20:29

Im sorry, but there’s not a chance I’m going to curl up into the fetal position and beg the wokey blokeys to take me back.

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DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 18/11/2019 19:53

LordProf Natalie Bird set it up, there's an old thread on here from last year when she was kicked out of a LD women's group as she'd been targeted by Zoë O'Connel - that's Sarah's bf isn't it?
So I don't know that she does hold any sway, but she's already been targeted by TRAs and is doing her best. I don't know her, BTW.

Thanks for all who are signing, I hope it makes a difference.

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borntobequiet · 18/11/2019 08:24

Signed and commented.

Outofexcuses · 18/11/2019 08:05

Signed.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/11/2019 08:03

Who has set this up? Do they have any sway? Haven’t they been asked to leave as they don’t follow the party line?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 18/11/2019 07:59

"However we believe that important distinctions must be made between natal women, fully transitioned Transwomen and those who identify as Transgender yet have no wish to undertake physical or hormonal changes."

But, isn't that against what Stonewall says? Isn't that the opposite of acceptance without exception?

Fucing delighted. Will be sending this to my Lib Den MP, who's hoping for re-election. I've almost always voted Lib Dem, very much doubt I will this time. Nope.

SugarPlumFairyCakes · 18/11/2019 06:31

I have signed, as I have the Labour one. Not because I think it will make much difference, but I do want to support anyone's attempts to highlight this.

Igmum · 18/11/2019 03:03

Signed.

IWantADifferentName · 18/11/2019 02:21

I support the views expressed in the petition wholeheartedly. However, until party policy changes, I will not vote LibDem.

I have not signed the period because it is hosted by iPetition which has a history of malware/viruses/spam etc.

EileenAlanna · 18/11/2019 00:28

Very welcome move on the part of these LibDem women.

stumbledin · 18/11/2019 00:23

I agree its a bit late, but if these few women in the Lib Dems have found the courage to speak out agains the Lib Dem HQ line, surely we should be supporting them.

Doesn't mean we have to vote for them any more than signing the Labour Women's Declaration means we have to vote Labour who are just as erasing of women.

It does seem that the Lib Dem women are more intimidated as there is no list of original signatures, just the petition creator who has already been put through shit by trans activists. Respect due. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3399104-Times-Lib-Dem-trans-activists-hounded-abuse-victim-Natalie-Bird-Article-refers-to-Zoe-OConnell-Sarah-Brown

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DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 17/11/2019 23:33

littlbrowndog
I don't know, just googled her and this story, and a thread on here, came up.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lib-dem-trans-activists-hounded-abuse-victim-b6dx39tv3

I'd beg you all to sign it whether or not you're going to vote for them in the GE or not, every number counts and at least some of them are doing something.

I was challenged when I first appeared on twitter for not being in the fight for as long as some others; well you can't fight about something you're not aware of or well read about. Now these women have looked into it and are protesting. I'm happy to support them.

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aligran · 17/11/2019 23:26

That’s unfair! The people who have come up with this have suffered for being GC. But all the political parties have suffered from policy capture about trans issues. It’s going to be a long job to challenge the influence of Stonewall, with their false wording of protected characteristics and their plan to erase women’s sex based protections. It definitely won’t be “done” by the time of the GE - in any of the parties! But if we don’t start at some time, it will NEVER be possible to amend these sinister policies.

AdaFromYorkshire · 17/11/2019 23:18

I've signed the petition but won't vote for them in the GE.

Redshoeblueshoe · 17/11/2019 23:17

Ed Davey did come on here, but I don't think Jo Swinson did
Ed made his views very clear, then I think they did some Twittering

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 17/11/2019 23:14

Whilst I am pleased women are doing this, for both Labour and LibDems I see this as the work of handmaidens trying to convince us that their parties might not trample over women’s rights, so that we will vote for them. But it’s a minority view and as soon as they were elected they would trample over us and ignore this. It’s meaningless and has no force behind it and is purely cynically marketing the parties in the run up to the GE.

littlbrowndog · 17/11/2019 23:04

But whose# the woman that started this petition

Is she a Lib Dem MP,?

GeordieTerf · 17/11/2019 23:01

The Lib Dems have stated very clearly that they don't want gender critical feminists.

And to all the posters saying that there are loads of GC people in the Lib Dems, why aren't you speaking up? Why aren't you loud and proud? Oh yeah, because you'll be expelled if you do.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 17/11/2019 23:00

Yes shame the declaration didn't cover their policy on forcing transwidows to stay in marriages against their will.

The Lib Dems: forcing women to stay with abusive men. What's liberal about that? Idiots.

aligran · 17/11/2019 22:56

And Labour’s seemed to be modelled on the SNP one that came out earlier in the year. All seem based loosely on what WPUK campaign for-so at least we all agree on at least one issue!