Help! Evidence required re correspondence with a Green

God what constituency is this? I was going to vote Green but can’t if it’s that twat.

I do not agree with restricting toilets and changing rooms to biological females only

Bloody hell, man, are you honestly saying 'Whatever the women think about it, I the man have said that they can't have it'? Share mixed sex toilets all you like with people who actually agreed to it, but not with those who didn't.

Hee's a Times link for Katie:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-sex-attacker-sent-to-female-hostel-c3vw35c06

I have yet to encounter any tangible evidence of any harm caused by law abiding pre-operational trans women using female bathrooms. Enforcing a biological women only rule would be hugely intrusive for all women, causing real harm.

Would he like to go and talk to the two little girls abused by 'Katie' Dolatowski in a supposedly all-female toilet? After all, Katie was law-abiding right up to the moment he first abused a child.

Incidentally, the little girls were adamant that the person who tried to assault them was 'a long-haired man'. They didn't find Katie's sex difficult to identify, whatever gender Katie was expressing at the time. It's honestly never been very difficult for women to notice that there's a bloke in the loo.

Just noticed you're chatting via DM so you don't have any lurkers. I agree with Inebriati in that case.

Fairplay for women produced an excellent report highlighting the forgotten voices of service users and frontline staff in women's refuges:

fairplayforwomen.com/our-research/

(There's also a good article on trans prisoner stats on that page)

Stonewall only listened to the high up people in women's charities who know that if they are not 'inclusive' they won't get funded. This is Scotland, I believe the situation is the same elsewhere in the UK:

www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/28877.aspx?SearchType=Advance&ReferenceNumbers=S5W-19971&ResultsPerPage=10

Karen Ingala Smith recently spoke to the Women & Equalities Committee about the many problems with this idea that you can do 'case by case' safeguarding in places like refuges and shelters:

data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/women-and-equalities-committee/enforcing-the-equality-act-the-law-and-the-role-of-the-equality-and-human-rights-commission/oral/102570.html

See also her WPUK talk in Leeds:

But we must not settle for the bar being set this low. It's not good enough to say that as long as women are not being actually physically attacked then everything's fine.

Prohibited conduct under the equality act includes harassment:

(1)A person (A) harasses another (B) if—

(a)A engages in unwanted conduct related to a relevant protected characteristic, and

(b)the conduct has the purpose or effect of—

(i)violating B's dignity, or

(ii)creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for B.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26

Turning women's single sex spaces into mixed sex facilities is unwanted conduct that violates our dignity and creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating and offensive environment for us. Forcing us to validate male people as women through things such as pronouns also fits the equality act definition of harassment on the grounds of sex.

'"I do not agree with restricting toilets and changing rooms to biological females only. I have yet to encounter any tangible evidence of any harm caused by law abiding pre-operational trans women using female bathrooms'

Law abiding
Lol
What a non answer

Didn’t somone do some work in that stonewall report pointing out that they’d ignored any responses that didn’t fit their narrative? 🤔

Quite alarming how thoroughly he has been brainwashed

As for his comment about rape crisis centres, surely by the time "Karen" has raped someone it's a bit too late to figure out their "behaviour" is a problem. Prevent men from entering women's refuges and the chances of being raped will suddenly decrease. Funny that

You are not chatting with a Green online, you are giving a narc MRA supply. He is getting off on it.

Tell him that if he wants to be inclusive all he needs to do is make mens spaces mixed sex and leave women alone. Then change the subject.

Tell him Stonewall has split over this very issue, indicating they've made some very controversial choices in taking such an extremist, some would deem homophobic, position on trans issues.

And he's citing Stonewall as evidence??
Not worth the paper it's written on.

Forcing women to state their pronouns and thus priming them before an activity puts them at a disadvantage when performing in areas traditionally associated with males, due to stereotype threat: web.stanford.edu/group/ipc/pubs/2006Steele.pdf

This Never Happens

• Facebook group archiving assaults on women in exactly those circumstances.

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

There maybe some useful links in this thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

How is harm caused to someone whose pronouns are not respected? How is being truthful harmful?

Midgebabe put it better.

Pompous so and so.

Male people in female facilities make me feel very anxious indeed. I find that harmful.

Mixed facilities are so disliked by many schoolgirls that they avoid them altogether, and risk urinary infections. That's harmful.

Anyway, why is he saying that we should be allowed to distrust ordinary males yet trust all transitioned males? Cis-phobic chump.

Pronouns - Maria McLaglan. In court, after being assaulted.

Pronoun harm is interesting

However it is interesting in that your correspondent is totally dismissive of the feelings of women

Totally dismissive of how it makes a woman feel that by making a pronoun gender related rather than sex related younare saying to women " accept a gender identity, prferabnly female because that's what everyone else thinks you are" when many women find the whole idea of gender identity as abusive

Pronouns are forcing women to be complicit in their abuse. They are no longer allowed to say I am a woman without it being taken t9 mean I accept the gender identity of woman. Yet how are women meant to talk about the abuse and discr8mination they face every day because, although they can't be called women without i5 being taken to mean more than it is, every fucker can see they are biologically women

Pronouns thing - it's compelled speech. Does he think this is ok in any other area?

Who was the woman forced to call her rapist "she" in court?

What is comes down to is the fact that transwomen are male, so they can use the facilities for males, otherwise known as the men's toilets, bathrooms etc.

Facilities are separated by sex, not gender, because women are oppressed on the basis of our sex.

Transwomen are not female, so should not be using facilities specifically provided for females. Out ancestors fought for public facilities for the female sex, because the male sex have always had facilities available to them.

A woman's place link about single sex toilets womansplaceuk.org/gender-neutral-toilets-dont-work-for-women-2/

God he sounds like a dick. I have just written to my Green MP about this bloody shit show and hope that she does not give me back a load of tosh like this.