Judicial review for woman prisoner alleging sexual assault by trans rapist in prison

And now I have as much sympathy as Strange has for old people and cancer sufferers

related thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3551945-Paul-Aubee-and-the-phenomeon-of-male-psychopaths-getting-into-female-prisons-and-their-credulous-validation-by-the-media-etc

Now I wonder why the usual suspects are not contributing to this thread.

Thing to understand is to remember these people are criminals who lied and tricked and burgled old ladies.

Jasmine Anne Strange served a custodial sentence for seven years and four months. She transitioned behind bars, and was subjected to assault and abuse. She now supports other transgender women in prison and helps train prison staff.

I’m an ex-offender. I served seven years and four months in custody. I’m an intersex girl, so for anyone who doesn’t know about it, I was born with ambiguous genitalia. From the age of seven, my father – I’m from a mixed race background – insisted I was to be raised as a boy. So he injected me with testosterone and changed my name, which led me into all sorts of problems, because I couldn’t be the person I wanted to be. I tried to act like a boy, and ended up in prison.

This is just outright lies by a criminal who appropriates the conditions of intersex people. (this is very common so be wary of such claims.)

Darren Goode changed his name several times and fathered eight children by five women. He is not in any way 'intersex'.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/sex-swap-burglar-jasmine-goode-fathered-2274842

After transitioning and being let out of prison he appeared on TV boasting about having dozens of unprotected partners

The dickheads who run the BBC failed to mention that he was a burglar who robbed a woman of 102

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hereford/worcs/4998544.stm

He preyed on elderly women, seeking out their trust by posing as a gardener

www.herefordtimes.com/news/1036716.burglar-fails-in-bid-to-have-sentence-cut/

The robbery happened in January last year at the isolated cottage of the elderly woman, who slept in the downstairs room due to her lack of mobility. At about midnight, the two men forced their way into the building through a window. When she went to investigate the noise, the pensioner was confronted with them.

She was ushered aside and forced to hand over her purse, containing £60, and her pension book.

On the same night, the two men went on to burgle the home of a 90-year-old resident, who had a blanket thrown over her head when she confronted them.

He was given £20,000 by the NHS to fund various cosmetic treatments, which he defended saying that the money was better spent on him because old people and cancer patients were going to die soon and didn't deserve it

www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/965150/defiant-jasmine-its-right-i-had-a-sex-change-op-in-prison/

Doctors gave her hormone tablets, which made her grow breasts, while a charity gave her clothes and make-up. Six months later, the NHS gave Jasmine £18,000. She says: “I didn’t put my hand in my pocket for anything — it’s been brilliant.

“I wanted to get rid of my facial and body hair so I went to a transgender clinic in London for electrolysis and laser treatment.”

After leaving prison in 2012, Jasmine moved into charity accommodation. She got a job as a support worker with a charity that helped her with her sex change.

She was then handed a further £2,000 to complete her sex change, and had surgery to transform her genitals, although the NHS refused to pay for a boob job.

“The NHS wastes money helping people with cancer, often smokers, even though their condition is terminal and they are going to die, whereas I’ve got lots of years left.

“Being transgender is just as life-threatening as cancer — the suicide rate among the transgender community is very high.

You won't be surprised that

'Jasmine no longer sees her kids'

however that didn't stop Lord Patel of Bradford inviting him to the House of Lords along with rapist Karen Jones/Karen Lawson/Mark Jones.

to lecture the Lords on how to pander to the feelings of violent male criminals.

I read those accounts and what struck me was not that those prisoners should be moved to the women’s estate, but that the men’s estate badly needs to be radically improved. Most of the stuff, assaults and bullying and so on, are largely preventable, but it doesn’t sound as if there’s any willingness to change.

But it’s the usual. Men are at risk in the men’s estate, so instead of sorting that out, we’ll make the women move over. And all the other vulnerable men, who don’t claim to be women will go on being harassed. Be really no prisoners matter.

Good post wellbehavedwomen . valuable resources in your post, I hope this thread doesn't get deleted.

‘Please call me Jasmine from now on,' I bravely told the inmates one day. My voice was shaking, I was so terrified of the reaction I'd get."

Of course his voice was "shaking". He was a woman. That's what women's voices do. Men's voices don't shake, because men aren't afraid. Boys' voices shake and women's shake, but men's? Men are big and strong and not afraid of anything. Only in hindsight might they admit a bit of fear and because they're so big and strong, it was undetectable in their voices anyway.

‘It all makes sense now. Maybe that's why I turned to crime...I've always tried to play the big man, but it just wasn't me.' It wasn't an excuse for my criminal life - but it was an explanation.

This bit actually links with toxic masculinity. It's a similar account to the guys who used to be in the armed forces who tried to be a "real man" by being GI Joe and then end up transitioning. If they only knew - believed and felt - that GI Joe wasn't the only valid iteration of "male" (and likewise Barbie/prostitute not female). It would appear the "Nick" made a massive mistake in suggesting trans and shows where therapists could take time to explore more.

I decided there and then that I wanted to make the transition from male to female. It would take time, Nick told me, but I was willing to wait.
Soon, I'd been moved to Leyhill open prison. It was the fresh start I needed, so I grew my hair and started wearing women's clothes.

Sounds like a fucking fairy tale.
Of course.
Long-hair + women's clothes = another female stereotype: Disney princess.

Just to clarify, Jones killed a gay man, not a woman.

Jasmine was a getaway driver in a robbery, after quite a chequered criminal past.
In Jasmine's words, it went like this on their last prison admission and a conversation with a psychologist:
"I do know who I am - I should be a woman,' I confessed. My heart hammered, but I felt so relieved to say the words.
‘You could be transgender,' Nick said. ‘We can help you.'
For a moment, I was speechless. He'd made it sound so simple. ‘Really?' I gasped. ‘It all makes sense now. Maybe that's why I turned to crime...I've always tried to play the big man, but it just wasn't me.' It wasn't an excuse for my criminal life - but it was an explanation.
I decided there and then that I wanted to make the transition from male to female. It would take time, Nick told me, but I was willing to wait.
Soon, I'd been moved to Leyhill open prison. It was the fresh start I needed, so I grew my hair and started wearing women's clothes.
‘Please call me Jasmine from now on,' I bravely told the inmates one day. My voice was shaking, I was so terrified of the reaction I'd get."

fullhousemagazine.co.uk/story_display.php?id=979

No.

Men.

In.

Womens.

Prisons.

Anything else is for rape apologists, and nasty bastards. If that's you, live with it. Look in the mirror each morning and acknowledge what you are.

* just 3% of sex offenders.

Sorry, typo. It's 2%, not 3%.

You know, the sad thing is that I'm not even surprised that Prick News tenderly discusses how, "harrowing" it is for a male who has killed one woman and sought to rape another to serve a sentence for those crimes, and how wickedly unfair it was to send this person to a man's prison.

Women prisoners are some of the most vulnerable people imaginable. Almost all have been sexually assaulted, half in childhood. They genuinely do have recorded levels of suicide attempts at 46%, and suicide completion also drastically higher than the average, and far higher than male prisoners. Most are not violent. They are just 5% of all prisoners and just 3% of sex offenders. Yet nobody gives a shit about their best interests - male women must take priority over female women. And any attempt to question that is instantly attacked with howls of rage by the likes of Prick News, champions of the rights of males to serve their sentences in the women's estate on demand, after killing one woman and trying to rape another.

More male prisoners are in for violent offending than non-violent, and one in five for sex offences. 95% of all prisoners are male, and 98% of all sex offenders are, too. Male patterned criminality is so well evidenced that it's jawdropping anyone has the nerve to pretend it's not an abhorrent attack on women's rights to place males in the female estate - and that is whether the person in question is a violent offender, or not. It's bad for the women prisoners, always. So why doesn't anyone care?

Nobody, ever, anywhere, has claimed that it does not harm women prisoners psychologically to have male people alongside them. There is ample evidence, should anyone care to pay attention, that it traumatises and unnerves them. They are generally survivors of male violence and abuse, many from childhood on, and then they are being locked up with violent male prisoners, and told, "no, they are women." That's adding gaslighting to the horror of what is being done to them.

The fact everyone prioritises the transwomen, while not even bothering to consider that what they are doing contravenes the UN basic guidelines for prisons - which hold that sex segregation is a fundamental human right for incarcerated women - is proof positive that those cheerleading these policies are very well aware that TWANW. If they were women, then their best interests would be treated with contempt, too.

I'm so glad this woman is having her day in court, and I hope she knows how much support she has from other women, in fighting back against this horrible abuse of our sex.

precisely. but, you know, lacking theory of mind?

Interesting in the PN article it says that the prison system wouldn't allow transition before age 21 - unless I misread. A male prisoner can't be transferred to the female estate until they're 21+.

Very interesting really. I wonder that happens at 21 to remove the threat to females of a male.

Also interesting that that's what happens when you're in the government's custody..but not at Tavistock. Or school.

As a child and adult sexual abuse survivor the thought of sharing a cell with a rapist/sexual abusive man makes me feel Ill. It is cruel and dangerous. No male prisoner, no matter how he identifies should be put in a women's prison.

I'm just so agog that if I hadn't googled, and if I only ever saw the PN article I've pasted, I wouldn't have had a clue that something wasn't right about their story, or that I couldn't/shouldn't
trust them.

The article gives a very very misleading impression of them simply being a victim of the awful bigots and yay for standing their ground, with no other context. I'm finding it difficult to articulate, but they are not a good case to be celebrating as the first person to transition in prison.

thank you Arabella for linking to the back story - I couldn't face going near it again because I couldn't get most of the detailed bits out of my head for months last time.

@EyesOpening Jones isn't / has never claimed to be intersex or have a DSD, just that they are a woman.

Off topic I know but why do they use that pseudonym? Does it mean something?

Ballycastle is a pseudonym for the place Dom Cummings famously visited this year, @caughtalightsneeze

A sob story, that should say

I was born and raised in a little town called Ballycastle, so that’s Billy Elliot territory.

Where is Ballycastle? Yorkshire? I googled and the only one I can find is the one in N Ireland. Would be weird if it was in England since Bally is an Irish word. Hard to take a son story seriously when they're obviously not even being truthful about their pre-prison life.

Sorry, it's not clear from my epic unformatted cut and paste @EyesOpening

Karen's story begins
"I was born and raised in a little town called Ballycastle, so that’s Billy Elliot territory. I always knew that there was something different about me but I couldn’t quite figure it out until I was about 10. I came out to my family at that point."

I had no idea about any of their history until I googled to find out whether Centre for Women's Justice etc had supported K's self defence claim for their original manslaughter sentence (I thought they genuinely were just a butch woman, I didn't realise they were trans).

They had told me their version of events and charges etc earlier that evening, and I wondered why i hadn't been aware of the case. That was when I realised that I'd not been given the whole story by them.

And a person with DSD - differences in sexual development - is not trans and is quite different from a transwoman ...