Changing Room Silliness In A Primark Store

This is what happens when "groups" want to push their "equality for all" and people dont stand up to it.

The day we went from declaring we have more than 2 sexes was the death of sensible policies around sex & gender. Once the genie is out of the bottle.....

I found the manger and he said there was nothing he could do. It's appalling..

There is - he just couldn't be bothered.

I don't believe there's nothing they can do.
The shop is private property, they can ask members of the public to leave for any reason whatsoever

Yes. That's why I said the manager didn't need to be backed up the Equality Act or think he was hampered by it. There is no right to take photographs in a shop. A shop is , as you say, private property. The public are permitted to take access but they have no absolute right to be there and the owner of the shop is entitled to ask customers to behave in their shop.

Not only does Primark designate their changing rooms by the ‘gender’ of the clothing being tried on - they also refuse entry to the female changing room to women who are not feminine enough to meet their stereotypes.

I was in H&M changing rooms and teenage girls were giggling, trying on outfits and walking around in bras and knickers.
Would they be free to do this in front of men?

Would some men get off on this? Damn right. The AGPs would be top of that list. How do we know which other ones? We don't know and that's why single sex spaces (regardless of how some men self ID) is an absolute must for females.

So now I need those in favour of mixed sex to tell us how this benefits women and girls please?

And as for the male attendant, where I live (small town), if Ella and Maya in year 9 are going into Primark to buy new underwear, Harry in year 11 is quite likely to be the attendant on duty.

I don't think that's okay.

Apollo I agree. Men in curtained changing room- not so keen. Male attendants- this has honestly been a thing forever- I have seen it so so many times and I cannot for the life of me see why it’s an issue- they stand at the entrance and hand out those tags and then take the clothes back. I was just surprised that the twitter thread led with the male attendant complaint.

And as people on this thread have confirmed Pota, they don't have 'proper' cubicles at Primark - just booths with curtains across the front. That's what every one I've been to has been like. So you're just dismissing a woman's experience based on an assumption that is incorrect. I wonder why you felt the need to do that.

Or mixed sex

Some branches of H&M have unisex changing rooms

Pipandmum You should read this thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

A massive Primark opened in my home city this year, but I have boycotted it because of the dangerous approach to mixed sex changing. No way would my 18 year old niece who has additional needs be able to tell who was safe and who is not.

It's absolute nonsense.

Some bloke scoops up a frock and demands entry. What are they going to say? How would it actually play out, if it went to a tribunal?

What is the difference between some bloke scooping up a frock to come and look at the girls changing, and some bloke scooping up a frock to change with the girls?

Ffs. I've actually got a headache today because of all the nonsense we're supposed to listen to

@Sarahjconnor "I was in Topshop in Leeds 6months ago and a bearded man was sat on a sofa with his phone pointing towards a changing room 2 girls were larking around in. They were coming in and out in various silly outfits- a bikini with a fur coat etc and he was blatantly filming them. I told the staff member, a young Muslim woman, and she looked teary and couldn't meet my eye. I found the manger and he said there was nothing he could do. It's appalling."

There is something they can do. They can stand in front of him and prevent him from filming. There is nothing in the Trans Must Be Obeyed law that says men get to film teenage girls in changing rooms!

The male attendant isn't really an issue unless they expect to be popping into the changing room. The fact that any man can enter as long as they are carrying a female item of clothing strikes me as a big fat NO. In fact although they say that men carrying male clothing won't be allowed in, that is breaking the equalities act. If you allow any males in you MUST allow all or it is discrimination (like only allowing white men in).

Sadly @PerrysWinkle our new built council swimming pool decided in their wisdom to have ‘family changing’ which is a free for all in showers and cubicles.

Yes, I read the twitter thread that was referenced in the OP. It begins with questioning why there is a male attendant outside a female changing room.

Did you actually bother reading the thread Pota? Because if you did, you appear to have comprehension skills; if not, why bother posting?

Communal unisex changing rooms sound fucking horrific Siameasy

Surely it doesn’t matter if there is a male attendant for a female changing room? I have seen that so many times for years and years. The attendant will not see you undressed or anything. And it’s a clothes shop- not a hospital- they will put whoever is on the rota on there and there is virtually never any need at all to do anything other than hand the clothes back to the assistant. As for any men entering, that’s a bit different but if there are proper cubicles, it’s not quite the drama this person on Twitter is making it out to be.

*changing

It really depends though doesn’t it? If they’re properly maintained changing rooms without a bloody two foot gap under the door and with lockable doors I think unisex is fine. Unfortunately most chanting rooms aren’t like this.

It’s not necessarily to do just with men harming women-it’s privacy and dignity for both sexes. And to avoid situations where someone could inadvertently cause offence or an allegation could be made. It’s to protect everyone.
We have a unisex communal changing room at work. We had to cordon bits off for me (the sole female). This is as much for the blokes’ embarrassment (probably more so actually) than mine. And I know these people - they’re not strangers
The other day I went for a sports massage and I asked for a female. Their response was of course they would’ve automatically allocated me a female
everyone knows why the sexes are segregated in certain situations and I believe almost everyone (including most men) want it so

I found the manger and he said there was nothing he could do. It's appalling..

I don't believe there's nothing they can do.
The shop is private property, they can ask members of the public to leave for any reason whatsoever.
What's the man going to do, take the shop to court for not allowing him to film teenage girls? He has no right to film on private property anyway.
Sounds like weak management more than anything else.

I am just thinking back when I was a teenage girl - 5’0”-5’4”, 80-100lbs. I could not even defend myself against my teenage boy rapist or any gropers in public space who weren’t much bigger than me, not sure how Pipandmum proposes teenage girls take care of themselves against men 2x plus the size of a teenage girl - taller, stronger, and just bigger.

it’s not most peoples default thought that man equals harm.

I agree. Most people do not think of men = harm. But most men respect single sex spaces and don't feel the need to make people uncomfortable there.
The problem lies with the percentage of men that are voyeuristic, pervs, unsavory and just predatory.