Letter from FOVAS *DAMNING* for Stonewall

Also this from Pat Craven at the freedom programme:

"So many of them [the abuse survivors] have told us that their abusers had a habit of wearing women clothing and make up seemingly to confuse them. This is so common that we have included it in the list of tactics from the HEADWORKER."

Just in case their are any trans widow on this thread.

This looks like something concrete that can be taken to the Charities commission, isn't it?

Yes I think so.

Ooo was just on my way here to post this. Such a shocking report, and all those messages at the bottom from survivors. This bit struck me especially:

Yet again we have women so confident that they are so educated about male perpetrators they could tell a violent male. If the women claiming this are so educated why haven’t they picked up one major factor that tells us a man has a likelihood of being an abuser? A male trying to access a women’s space is the biggest visible risk factor you will ever encounter.

Once again for the NATWALT crew:

A male trying to access a women’s space is the biggest visible risk factor you will ever encounter.

How can we make sure this sees as much daylight as possible?

We have been notified by a reliable source from one of the organisations interviewed by Stonewall that they chose to deliberately leave out responses about concerns over women’s physical and mental safety

Shame (yet again) on Stonewall. And thank you to all the courageous women who have spoken up in the face of what will no doubt be vile harassment and bullying from the Stonewall mob.

To find out that yet again Stonewall has been found out to be deliberately misrepresenting and censoring women's views. The views of women working in and who are victims of, DV, rape and sexual assault. Such a repellent organisation.

Agree with Popchyk services can and should be established to cater for that 1% of the population.

The reason I’m harping on this - TRAs always frame “female-only” as “omg you don’t want us to exist!! Transphobic!!”

Um yes of course we want you to not just exist but to thrive, and to have the services and safety everyone deserves.

We also need female-only services. This is really, truly a thing. This is not about you, it’s about another vulnerable population and what they need.

This confirms what many of us knew or feared.

Services have got to grow a spine and declare themselves “female only” (and separate facilities need to exist for trans and non-binary people - perhaps Stonewall can help?).

To state the obvious, T&NB persons are valid and authentic and need services - just not ones alongside women like those in this letter.

Please note: Services who do this might lose their funding (despite female-only being protected in law). If so, let’s crowd-fund. I’m in.

@MoltenLasagne
Their trans board need urgent investigation.
What influence do they have and what is their agenda?

We have been notified by a reliable source from one of the organisations interviewed by Stonewall that they chose to deliberately leave out responses about concerns over women’s physical and mental safety.

This is the most shocking aspect for me. I’d convinced myself that organisations were self-censoring, but instead it appears that Stonewall have intentionally ignored responses that highlight threats to women’s safety. It’s absolutely appalling.

Stonewall are an utter disgrace.
They have become little more than a lobby group for a questionable (several anonymous members and several interesting) trans board

They no longer represent lesbians (the homosexual female ones)
They have even redefined homosexuality from existance preferring some imaginary "same-gender" attraction.

What surprises me is how quickly and efficiently they have got away with it most of the LGB are still oblivious to what has gone on. We are living in a world where Stonewall are unquestionable but slowly they are being exposed. No wonder Hunt is leaving.
There needs to be a full enquiry.
T has to be separated, they should never have been in there in the first place. The T has its own needs and priorities and they cannot use the LGB to hide their regressive (and homophobic) agenda.

This is an excellent analysis.

Surely Stonewall itself could set up and run trans-inclusive refuges, given their new self-defined expertise in the area?

There are about 1% transgender people, so Stonewall can have 1% of government funding. The other 99% of government funding goes to female-only refuges.

Knock yourselves out, fellas.

This looks like something concrete that can be taken to the Charities commission, isn't it?

Yes, interesting points about the risk assessments done in prison which did not prevent Karen White from assaulting women there. We're told that there is a robust risk assessment done in prisons. And yet it failed.

So we're expecting women's refuges to make risk assessments, but crucially the refuge will not know the person's former name and crimes committed under that name. It seems unlikely that the person will volunteer that information.

There is no doubt in my mind that the first male person to be turned away from a refuge will then sue the refuge for discrimination. So, knowing that, how likely are cash-strapped refuges to reject someone, knowing that a costly legal battle will lie ahead?

And errm, how come Stonewall are experts in domestic violence all of a sudden?

We know that Stonewall routinely lies about the suicide statistics of people who identify as transgender, so why would we believe their Supporting trans women in domestic and sexual violence services report?

Stonewall are on record of saying that they support self-ID and wish to remove single-sex exemptions from the GRA, so how can they claim to produce a balanced report?

And archived <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190702212543/fovas.wordpress.com/response-to-stonewall-2/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here

Utterly bloody shocking.

The real education that needs to take place is that of “Consent” and respect of the female part of the population by the male part of the population.

That's the whole issue in a nutshell. Right there. That needs to go on t shirts and posters and be projected onto Mordaunt's front door.

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