NUS women's campaign to lobby Mumsnet

Thank outanabout. I understand that by Christmas, second year English students at Bristol had lost three of their coursemates to suicide. (And many apologies if that figure is wrong. Whatever the number it was too high.)

The argument is not whether individuals should be concerned about three transwoman dying in prison, but why they are not expressing the same concern about students. That is their job. Even if these students are 'cis', 'het' or even middle class.

Academics will confirm that there are major problems within the University sector and on many campus'. They need a strong Union voice, as do students. The NUS seems to be rearranging the furniture whilst the ship sinks.

Or can transwomen take LGBT roles ringfenced for women and be attracted to men? Ie T but not LGB. But in which case you would not have anyone representing the L.

I would assume any womans position could go to any transwoman. Because its explained as basically, women cannot represent transwomen as they are not transwomen, however transwomen CAN represent women because.. So any position thats for a wo man, should really be taken by transwomen else its not representative.

Wow, Needmoresleep, brilliant post. Going right to the heart of the matter. It seems to be all about using students to support THEIR concerns, rather than t'other way round. I hadn't thought of that til you pointed it out, but once seen it's seen.

They story itself is pretty horrible - she was bullied and attacked while in jail and they knew she was a suicide risk. The authorities didn’t take it seriously. Even criminals have the right to live in safety without fear of violence.

I have seen other cases where the wishes of the victim were listened to. Yes punish crimes - but didn’t you see the paedophile (again in Scotland) who was let off (although it was acknowledged that he has abused a little girl) with absolutely no ‘blemish’ on his record (ie not out on sex offenders register) because it would hurt his budding career? How does any of this make sense?

Lord prof I don't see what the wishes of the boy or his family have to do with her sentence, tbh. She drove while drunk and severely injured someone. She should be in jail, it isn't only about the current victim.

Who knows why she killed herself? I knocked down someone I couldn't avoid, who darted out in front of me on a dark street. She wasn't severely injured, she had a bone broken in her hand, but I had flashbacks for years of the second before I hit her. I don't know how I'd have ever recovered if I'd been drunk, and she'd been severely injured.

The law has to apply to everyone equally.

These are NUS officers...paid.

Forget prisons. That is someone else's job. Students have issues that need to be raised. High suicide rates on some campuses. High University fees. Shockingly high Hall fees. Date rape. And and and. Even campus LGBT+ issues.

What is this bunch of self serving cronies, a decade older than the people they represent, and lobbying for the continuation of thier salaries in a near bankrupt organisation, doing. They are not a political party with a wider remit. They have people who pay them and who they should be supporting.

(Hit with her car - not punched)

There are also numbers of young men and women who commit suicide on jail.

There was a horrible case in Scotland recently where a 20 year old woman drunkenly hit a 15 year old (we was severely injured) and she ran away. She was jailed even through the boy she hit and his family said that they didn’t want that. She was strip searched and bullied until she hung herself.

Does lobbying involve listening and engaging with conversations or does it just mean trying to tell people what to think?

I can't wait to find out.

NUS Women's 2019:

Motion 105: No women in men’s prisons, and an end to prisons once and for all
Submitted by: Eden Ladley
Union: NUS
Zone: Society and Citizenship
Women’s Conference Believes

1. The picture for women in prison on paper alone establishes there are severe problems with the justice system in the UK:

1. Patterns of women’s incarceration (and all incarceration) are exacerbated by multiple axes of oppression. Migrant women, working class women, disabled women, women of colour (especially black women), LGB women, trans women and sex workers are disproportionately impacted.

1. The issue of trans women in women’s prisons has become a lightning rod topic in the media. Rather than looking at the high suicide rate of trans women in both women’s and men’s prisons,

1. There have been a number of high profile cases of trans women dying by suicide while in prison.

1. In March 2019, the MoJ opened a segregated section for trans women prisoners in HMP Downview, a women’s prison.

Women’s Conference Further Believes

1. Prisons will never deliver justice for women who are imprisoned or women who are victims of crime.

1. The ruling class determine what warrants incarceration; prisons do not work in our interests.
2. Prison is about punishment, not reformation or justice."

'NUS LGBT+ Officers Eden Ladley and Rob Noon share their plans for LGBT+ History Month this February.'
www.nusconnect.org.uk/articles/our-plans-for-lgbt-history-month-2019

Rowan, Eden Ladleye appears to be NUS LGBT+ Officer (Women's Place) for 2018-2019. If they have the woman's place I assume they are lesbian. Or can transwomen take LGBT roles ringfenced for women and be attracted to men? Ie T but not LGB. But in which case you would not have anyone representing the L.

Eden Ladleye is a a male transperson so no not a lesbian.
Within NUS women's places can be taken by those who identify as both transwomen & non-binary transwomen (eg Jess Bradley / Rowan Davies who was responsible for the slideshow)

Eden Ladleye has been LGBT+ Women's Place officer and is now standing for the position of NUS trans officer. No idea if anyone else is standing.

Ladleye, Bradley & Madigan appeared on a Young Labour panel togeher just before Bradley was suspended by NUS last year.

Since Bradley's suspension Eden Ladleye & Rob Noon (also close friend with JB) seem to have been the main NUS trans representatives.

Rob Noon is a female transperson & also holds an NUS officer position: LGBT+ open place

Sorry, but I sense a tangent that I'm unsure of. Can you explain what you mean by 'reproductive rights'? And what is Rachels' experience in this area?
She has been active in abortion rights campaigning in Northern Ireland. Previously Womens officer for NUS-USI.
Centring womens issues is a good thing surely?

Rowan, Eden Ladleye appears to be NUS LGBT+ Officer (Women's Place) for 2018-2019. If they have the woman's place I assume they are lesbian. Or can transwomen take LGBT roles ringfenced for women and be attracted to men? Ie T but not LGB. But in which case you would not have anyone representing the L.

I am confused,. But all solved now, if they are a Trans officer for 2019-20.

Ladleye and Bradley both look about 30. How relevant is all of this to the students who pay NUS dues?

NUSWomens' officer is Rachel Watters. I don't agree with her priorities but she's got real experience and passion in the areas of reproductive rights. Her Bio is very impressive. Very next-gen though: intersectionality (lots and lots of mention of intersectionality) and the legalization of prostitution

Sorry, but I sense a tangent that I'm unsure of. Can you explain what you mean by 'reproductive rights'? And what is Rachels' experience in this area?

Have to say my understanding of intersectionality is that it originated in Queer Theory - which was a rejection of radical feminism, along with an embracing of gay male culture - especially as it relates to pornography( as central to gay male identity & culture), and prostitution. Kind of a Neo-Liberal politics of consumerism and individuality.

LM can barely string together a sentence that makes any sense at all.
Is that really the standard they accept at Goldsmiths?

Quaking we are

but why the focus on Mumsnet

I started last year didn't it?

Apil 2018 MN FWR was discussing an NUS Womans conference workshop 'How to Deal With Terfs' which had been run by two male transpeople

The NUS officer who had created the slideshow was upset & shouted out to mates to try to shut it down.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3222263-Slide-show-on-How-to-Deal-with-TERFs

One of the friends was Emma Healey (MN intern)

Emma Healey said she had already decided to go public about the transphobia she had witnessed during her time at MNTowers. In her expose, she breached some members' data.

Eden Ladleye who ran the 'How to Deal With Terfs' workshop is now standing for NUS Trans Officer & Mumsnet even got a mention in Eden's election leaflets.

Even KF has stopped talking about them

Really?

Wow....

They must be devastated

Well again, mnhq will be quaking in their campers.

I think you misunderstand. When they say lobby mumsnet about transphobia they mean get mumsnet towers to make you lot STFU. Their is no intention to debate the issue because TRA ideology wilts under scrutiny and you'd make balloon animals out of the poor things. God help that these woke clowns ever have to think or defend a position.

but why the focus on Mumsnet
why not lobby reddit, kiwifarms and a variety of other sites with much much less stringent moderation of language and phrasing

Needmoresleep - horrible feminists shouldn't be allowed to speak, as the lovely Lily is so much more nicerer like what women should be.

Well it did almost look as if the NUS have been hiding away for these past months because they didn’t want to answer any questions about Jess Bradley the trans officer and some questions around serious sexually-related creepiness.

So that’s good if they now are back around to be answering questions. (These are all set out on Mumsnet threads, if anyone wants to know more.)

Jess Bradley (trans officer) suspended by NUS following allegations of flashing.
Allegations of sexual harrassment against Bradley have also been made to Proud Trust & Action For Trans Health

threads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321764-Jess-Bradley-suspended-Part-II

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323623-Who-is-really-funding-Jess-Bradleys-defence

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3520762-Jess-Bradley-government-advisor-and-suspended-NUS-Trans-Officer-Part-iv

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3451134-Rose-of-Dawn-on-need-for-accountability-in-the-NUS-and-Action-For-Trans-Health-re-Jess-Bradley-allegations

Great idea, NUS!

Lobby means to persuade and seek to influence.

Why not come in for a webchat and let the people of Mumsnet put questions to you. Go on, persuade us.

Do women have a penises? Can a man be a lesbian? What sex are non-binary people? Can a man compete in a woman's sport - why?

So many unanswered questions - and we'd love to listen to your reasoning.

Get your diary out and let's talk.