Judicial review of City of London's decision

This is a piece of data that may help with the legal challenge (and will be interesting even if it doesn't).

Who does Edward Lord block on twitter? The survey was mainly circulated via his twitter account @EdwardLord , and news of the policy being adopted also was mainly promoted by his account. But he blocks thousands of people - probably through one or more block lists.

As an elected representative this seems....inappropriate.

If you are on twitter check to see if you are blocked by him, and if you are fill in the form so we can build up some statistics about who he blocks (e.g. by sex...)

forms.gle/WjbiGpVLwM84uqJu5

Won't they have to consider the legal definition of male and female regardless of context/protected characteristic though stumbledin?

I want boundaries for women whether it's in grounds of sex, religion, disability or anything else to be honest. Each protected group will have reasons to require clear definition of sex and gender.

I think it is actual not a positive step for a campaign fighting to maintain women only services and facilities based on the reality of biological sex.

If we cant argue and win on the basis that women need and want safe women spaces, it will not help to have women from particular religious groups maybe win that right as it implies the need for single sex spaces is based on and only for those with (fundamentalist) religious beliefs.

Absolutely. I don't have any religious leanings whatsoever but I do believe that any woman should be able to set her own boundaries, (individually or collectively for reasons of faith) and I'll fully support any action taken by those in Hampstead.

Also, if the report doesn't set out the specific reasons for dismissing a huge number of representations it's well worth chasing that down. If the person leading the management of the consultation has been blocking huge numbers of people and resisting meaningful engagement in any sense (online or not) that's also worth picking up on.

this is good news, if any Jewish sisters reading this, know you have (this) humanist support
just tell us how we can help

handsoffmyrights
This is a superbly detailed legal breakdown of this deeply skewed survey.

THREAD - The Rise of Gender Identity and the Fall of Sex

This is brilliant, I just came on to post it too.

...although I appreciate in this case it is Judaism.

What it will do, however, is develop consciousness around the full impact of any change to Gender Self ID.

It’s likely to fail as religion tends to take second places to LGBT rights

I'm not sure that's true...certainly if the religion Islam. This is one of the crosses that the liberal left has to bear.

HandsOff My Rights
That's a superb take down of this grubby little exercise in removing women's rights.

Solidarity with Orthodox Jewish women defending their sex based rights.

This is a superbly detailed legal breakdown of this deeply skewed survey.

THREAD - The Rise of Gender Identity and the Fall of Sex

Hey @edwardlord!
Yesterday I heard about the consultation you sponsored as officer of @cityoflondon regarding "gender identity".

The consultation, the survey and the whole process raised some red flags.
Bear with me t.co/s6sMlDpWh5 twitter.com/BraveNewEden/status/1131622530941366273?s=17

A final decision has not yet been made, or predetermined, by the decision makers

I'd say it was a given that it falls down on this principle alone. EL was going to fudge this anyway he could.

All UK public consultations are supposed to comply with the Gunning Principles.

1. proposals are still at a formative stage
A final decision has not yet been made, or predetermined, by the decision makers

2. there is sufficient information to give ‘intelligent consideration’
The information provided must relate to the consultation and must be available, accessible, and easily interpretable for consultees to provide an informed response

3. there is adequate time for consideration and response
There must be sufficient opportunity for consultees to participate in the consultation. There is no set timeframe for consultation, despite the widely accepted twelve-week consultation period, as the length of time given for consultee to respond can vary depending on the subject and extent of impact of the consultation

4. ‘conscientious consideration’ must be given to the consultation responses before a decision is made
Decision-makers should be able to provide evidence that they took consultation responses into account

In this case, I'm not sure that they complied with any of them.

The risk of not following these principles could result in a Judicial Review. A number of public bodies across the UK have been taken to Judicial Review and deemed to have acted unlawfully in their Public Sector Equality Duty – usually linked to the four Gunning Principles.

www.nhsinvolvement.co.uk/connect-and-create/consultations/the-gunning-principles

The judicial review should be about the way in which the consultation was carried out and the way the decision was made, rather than the decision itself. If the process was flawed then any decision made is unlawful.

Who decided which responses were rejected? Do we know? I imagine someone with a well known vested interest wouldn’t want th3 “wrong” decision to be made. Also, IANAL...can a judicial review overturn the decision or only comment on the legality of it, leaving the decision open to people suing?

Also in for a crowdfunder.

The reporting of it in the media is well dodgy as well, no mention of the mass rejection of responses for wrongthink.

It’s likely to fail as religion tends to take second places to LGBT rights.

That assumes they are going for discrimination. Maybe they will go on process was flawed for a farce of a consultation that wasn't advertised and wasn't accessible to many (recall wasn't available in other languages/mediums?).

Humph, I was shot down when I suggested yesterday that Muslim and Jewish women would be allies. I don't see that what's being talked about here is that different to what I was skirting around.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3592315-Money-talks-and-bullshit-walks

This is utterly ridiculous. The ponds are already the perfect example of a third or mixed sex or gender neutral space. The other two should remain single sex. How does this not meet everybody's needs?

I guess maybe those who need constant validation of what they are not, or who do not want women to have anything for themselves.

Rosa, if you’re reading this, thank you so much for all you’re doing.

I see the outrage this is causing and find myself hoping this will come to be seen as one of the major missteps taken by anti-women activists.

More power to them! If anyone has connections and wants to point them here I’d love to support those women!
I worked close by and used the women’s pond regularly. I no longer live in London but id be there in a beat to show my solidarity.

Good.

The perfect group to take it on. Hampstead has a large Jewish population, a group that already feels threatened by an increase in anti-Semitism, and Jews are well-represented in the City and have been for centuries.

The decision is wrong. It would be great to prove this via Judicial Review, but equally it would be useful if senior figures in the City were to take a closer look at Edward Lord and why he seems to be subject to so little scrutiny.