Judge over rules social services concerns

Pencils; that's horrifying. The judge can't possibly be that stupid, he must know that these "parents" are dangerously abusive people. The social workers must be so confused. If they can't remove children from a home like that...

I find this all very concerning but I am afraid to comment at all because whatever I say whether on one side or the other or trying to be neutral or asking scientific questions or anything, someone will call me a bigot and try to put me in prison.

Pasterski's twitter feed is very short yet very revealing.

twitter.com/DrPasterski?lang=en

The couple in this case are not H's parents they have special guardianship orders for H, a (twin?) brother C and another unrelated child K. All three are subjects of these proceedings as well as two of the couple's own children, E and R. R is also trans and is engaged with Tavistock and Mermaids. Three other foster children are mentioned.

Original causes for concern were:

i) Persistent pursuit of a focus upon seeking out mental health diagnosis for children in their care.

ii) Preoccupation with an encouragement of gender dysphoria in 3 children.

iii) Family behaviour relating to food and eating disorders in 3 of CP and TP's biological children.

iv) General concerns about the emotional and physical well-being of the children in their care.

v) Requests for more children to be placed in their care.

vi) Financial difficulties of the family.

Dr Pasterski, who denies desistence rates and discounts psychological comorbidites with regards to childhood gender dysphoria, persuaded the judge and SS backed down.

It seems there is a substantial knowledge gap about significant early childhood trauma/abuse amongst gender 'specialists'

That Social Workers/FosterCarers are also being provided guidance written by TRAs is very concerning:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

I knew Pasterski was a familar name -

Pencils That case...

see also: www.thelondontransgenderclinic.uk/our-transgender-surgery-practice-london/dr-vickie-pasterski/

SS had serious concerns and applied for an order. Dr Pasterski, who denies desistence rates and discounts psychological comorbidites with regards to childhood gender dysphoria, persuaded the judge and SS backed down.

Worrying.

I knew Pasterski was a familar name -

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3481765-Jay-vs-Secretary-of-State-for-Justice-getting-a-GRC-on-appeal-after-panel-says-no-three-times

I've read 2/3 of the judgment and I find it very disturbing.

WTF kind of scientific "expert" actually talks like that!?

See link, also:
Recognised Gender Specialist
Gender Recognition Panel
Ministry of Justice, UK

Background re above:
www.harleystgenderclinic.com/about

Dr Pasterski's evidence was influential:

(extract from finding)
"Dr Pasterski is a chartered psychologist and gender specialist with 23 years of experience in conducting gender identity assessments in children and adolescents. In her report she identifies that there have been recent changes to the diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria and that research on mental health and transgender children have shed light onto critical historical misunderstandings related to clinical presentation in gender dysphoria. Firstly, that children who present with gender dysphoria are likely to desist in their cross-gender identification and secondly that gender dysphoria is inherently associated with high rates of comorbid psychopathology. She notes both have been shown to be false. She identifies that these misunderstandings arise from two particular factors. Firstly earlier studies which showed that up to 80% of children desist in gender dysphoria included children who presented with gender incongruent behaviour but did not necessarily state the wish to be or that they were the other gender. Thus children displaying gender variance may have been wrongly diagnosed with gender dysphoria. As a result of this treatment protocols previously incorporated a watch and wait approach which had prevented truly dysphoric children from transitioning which had likely resulted in increased rates of depression and anxiety. As Dr Pasterski puts it 'Put simply, many who have shown to desist were likely not dysphoric and psychopathology in those who persisted was likely due to forbidden expression of their true gender identity.' Current guidance suggests that supporting a child who clearly and consistently states that they wish to be the other gender in their preferred gender role is associated with improved mental health and well-being." (continues)

Katie Alcock Senior Lecturer in Psychology , Lancaster University talk at the recent Lancaster Resisters event, 'Gender Identity & Safeguarding Children' is relevent.
She illustrates well-established understanding about how young children understand their sex.
She commented that psychiatrists & medical doctors don't typically get this standard child development training.

(extract)
I had a question at the end about the clash between the DSM5 diagnostic criteria and these well-replicated findings on sex/gender constancy.
I answered in relation to psychiatrists. These medical doctors rarely have a degree in straight Psychology
Typical child development isn't much taught to medical students (in fact I was one briefly). A psychiatrist with an interest in autism may well educate themselves on all the current theories, and a delay in the ability to distinguish between appearance and reality is one facet.
But (though I don't know all about psychiatrist training) you don't always get every relevant finding brought up even in straight psychology degrees - we simply know too much about how children think to fit it all in!"

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1122570548549226496.html

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3551115-Gender-Identity-Safeguarding-Children-and-Young-People-For-Women-Lancashire?pg=2

The judge sounds like an idiot. The social workers involved will now have to sit back and watch while this child's life is fucked up. When it all goes tits up it won't be the parents, expert witnesses or the judge who're held to account but social workers. Ffs

That judgement makes for worrying reading.

4 years old! What the hell do 4 year olds know about gender identity?

I am not a nun...

I fancied being a nun.

When DD was 4 she thought she might like to try being a boy.

Of course she also wanted to try being Peppa Pig, a puppy, a tiny baby, a 'very old woman' and a Tyrannosaurus rex, so....

This is so bonkers.

So it's not just one child, it's two children who have been socially transitioned somewhere between the ages of 4 and 7!!! And the judge doesn't think there's anything odd about this...

Think this is the actual judgment - www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWFC/HCJ/2019/30.html