5 Transgender Women Who Have Fought Their Prisons From Behind Bars

PrincessPlummy if you do nothing else, its really worth listening to this recent podcast. Its likely much will become clearer:

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'Podcast: Madeleine Kearns interviews Sheila Jeffreys

Sheila Jeffreys, an English radical feminist and author, has spent more than forty years fighting for women and girls’ sex-based rights. In 2014 she wrote a book Gender Hurts which controversially rejects the politics of transgenderism. Last week she was in New York with the Women’s Human Rights Campaign helping to launch the Declaration on Women’s Sex-Based rights. Here is a quote from an interview she gave with National Review:

"If you look at WPATH [World Psychological Association of Transgender Health] for instance, which is putting out a lot of the ideas and theories about transgenderism, purporting to be a medical organization, you need to look at who the funders are. And of course, it’s drug companies. It’s all the major drug companies. All the major names you’d expect to be there. Because the situation with children is that it’s very, very profitable for drug companies. If the children come in at quite young ages then the drug companies are able to delay puberty with drugs like Lupron… it’s off label. It is not approved for these purposes."

Jeffreys’s insights on transgender politics are fascinating, especially on medical harms for children. Listen here:

www.nationalreview.com/corner/sheila-jeffreys-radical-feminist-debunks-transgenderism/?fbclid=IwAR3UszPkBG-uV3TLe8PM8u_7ZF1ZNXN4X3TLTJdTWz6KitlOGzjsDlPGLJg

And you can sign the declaration on women's sex based rights here:

www.womensdeclaration.com

It's really worth listening and covers a lot of material in the time.

Sheila demonstrates her particularly wonderful way with words when describing changes in classifications of sexual deviancy/paraphilias"

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3538472-Podcast-Madeleine-Kearns-interviews-Sheila-Jeffreys

I regularly rant to my mum (in her early 60s) about these issues and have for 3 years or so. Ive been to lots of meetings which I've talked about. I've made it perfectly clear that very few have so called "sex change surgery". She reads the Mail. So she gets lots of articles pop up on her phone. So she's familiar with many of the issues, although she thinks it's more of a "London thing" and that's why my concerns for women and girls are largely groundless, because "people won't put up with it anywhere else". Thanks Mum!

However it has literally only just sunk in, as she said to me earlier this year, as if I didn't know (!) apparently most of them keep their penises! Whatever next!

What surprises me is that I have been following this debate to some degree - clearly not as closely as I should have, but mostly skimming through the BBC and Guardian articles. I have always thought that you need to have the operation in order to change your legal sex and am genuinely flummoxed to find this out. Why is the media not reporting this?

The BBC & Guardian have demonstrated considerable bias in their reportings. Many people who follow these two news sources are unaware how biased they have been in this area.
There was a great thread last year (which I wish I could find but haven't been able to) when someone's sister made exactly this point that she believed everything her sister who was aware was telling her but could not get past the fact that BBC & Guardian were not reporting.

Many women (including me) have reluctantly cancelled support for the Guardian and follow journalists such as Julie Bindel (various news sources) James Kirkup (Spectator), Janice Turner & Andrew Gillingham (Times), Sanchez Manning (Mail on Sunday), Glosswitch (New Statesman) as well as Sarah Ditum (Guardian) etc as they are reporting the issues based on evidence based research.

James Kirkup is really worth having a look at on The Spectator website. He has been writing really well researched articles about the impact on political process, women's rights and safeguarding for a while now. (worth a Google or use advanced search here on FWR as his articles are usually discussed)

Some quite shocking examples of BBC bias here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here

Ah. Fair enough!

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I meant the CPS when I said courts

Cross-post!

the courts and police merrily going along with it

The courts didn't - the case was thrown out. The police, on the other hand...

Except the judge, thankfully!

I think this is even more pertinent because the debate often seems to be framed around 'transphobia' - but this would be discrimination against genuine transsexuals not transvestites

That's why you get ridiculous situations like Helen Islan, a non trans mother of a trans child, taking transsexual Miranda Yardley to court alleging "transphobic" hate crime and the courts and police merrily going along with it.

I think all the terminology and jargon makes everything 1000 times more confusing, so most people will have no idea!

Yup.

Spartacus I’m not sure you’re right there? I’m pretty sure you need surgery to get a grc and access the ladies, otherwise what would the point be??

See Fairplay For Women:
'The vast majority of male-born transwomen still have a penis'
(extract)
How many transgender people medically transition?
In 2011, GIRES estimated that only 20% of the UK transgender population were likely to seek medical treatment for their condition at some stage. Based on a UK trans prevalence of 1% and assuming a 50:50 split of males and females that means there are 200,000 male-born transgender people in the UK will no body modifications whatsoever. Of the 50,000 trans-identifying males that do seek medical treatment most of these would be expected to be undergoing hormone treatment and/or breast implants. Only a very small proportion of this 20% will have genital reconstruction surgery.

No one knows for sure how many transwomen keep their penis, but there are fewer than 10 surgeons in the UK who can undertake the relevant operation. Even if they each performed one operation every single day this would still only represent an absolute maximum of 3,500 surgeries each year. The actual number performed is likely to be very much smaller than this. An estimate of just a few hundred operations each year would not be unreasonable.

Conclusions:
We don’t know how many transgender people there are in the UK but estimates are up to 1%. The vast majority do not have a GRC and so remain legally the sex they were born. The vast majority also do not seek medical treatment so retain the anatomy of their birth.
Contrary to public perception the overwhelming majority of male-born transgender people retain their penis and are fully male-bodied."
fairplayforwomen.com/penis/

(NB GIRES is a trans rights advocay charity and prominant lobbyist)

Take wine.

Now that I think about it, both of these family friends have quite, shall we say, old fashioned to regressive ideas of what being a woman is and how women should behave in the world. I think they're buying into the same gender stereotypes that I so firmly reject.

They have to, though, don't they? They can't identify as someone with a uterus, or Fallopian tubes, or who is menstruating. What else, other than stereotypes, is there? Clothes, make up. Everything superficial.

They don't ever identify as a strong, powerful woman who doesn't give a fuck about hairy legs.

In order to be perceived as female, they have to inhabit the most stereotypical femininity they can. It's unbelievably regressive for women. And it's something that they utterly believe should be encouraged.

princess, I don't know if someone has already mentioned it, but this thread would be useful for you. And it's still ongoing. It's by and for women who are at the coalface of transgenderism.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

Sorry, I meant the current criteria is no surgery, no hormones.

Future criteria is no diagnosis of gender dysphoria and no living as the opposite sex, either. Your dad could do it tomorrow.

You don't. The criteria for a GRC is you must be over 18, have lived as the opposite sex for two years (whatever regressive stereotypes that means) and have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

The reforms to the GRA want to eliminate all three criteria to make it just form filling exercise.

No surgery, no hormones, no nothing.

'The Elephant In The Room'
by Sue Donym
concludes:
If there’s one thing you ought to do, it’s discuss the elephant. Please discuss the elephant. Don’t leave it rampaging around the room, destroying everything in its path.

Autogynephilia is a weird concept. It can be inaccessible. But it needs to be discussed in the LGBT community, and openly. Not talking about it is causing way too much damage — we have had our organizations taken over, our spaces colonized, and our sexuality redefined. Thanks to these men, you can no longer say ‘I am, gay, meaning exclusively same-sex attracted’ without being labelled a TERF. That’s not a good thing.

Dancing around the subject isn’t helpful. While the ultimate result of autogynephilia is homophobic rhetoric, is important to remember that a sexual fantasy, not homophobia, motivates such rhetoric. That is the root cause of the problem.

Worse is the effect on autogynephiles themselves. ‘Transgender’ is not an umbrella. It is a term that erases the very different motivations and causes of various forms of gender dysphoria. It does people who claim the label absolutely no favors. The original inclusion of the ‘T’ was designed for homosexual transsexuals, and include them with other same-sex attracted individuals. It was not designed to include autogynephiles, who are heterosexual males, or ‘queer’ individuals who are heterosexual but believe dying their hair some variation of neon should mean they are included. Making ‘transgender’ an umbrella not only erases the very different causes and struggles associated with homosexual transsexuality, it also obscures the causes of, and struggles associated with autogynephilia. Autogynephilia is not a condition I would wish on anyone. It is a unique, somewhat bizarre struggle, and reading through many of the accounts of it was quite sad. It can make its sufferers lonely and unable to connect with intimate partners. But enabling it, and on a grand scale, has caused immense damage to homosexuals, particularly lesbians, who have lost almost all their spaces and communities to colonization.

Please discuss the elephant."
medium.com/@sue.donym1984/the-elephant-in-the-room-dc822144a81b