Bloody hell BBC

It does say: ‘we must not campaign or allow ourselves to be used to campaign’

www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/politics/principles

Also... Christ on a bike.. the idea you can tell who is male or female by noticing how many towels they use or who they say they will want to marry when they grow up. 

When I was 9 I think I wanted to marry my older cousin! I'm not sure what I'd have been turned into if my parents had decided to act on that!

It's Interesting that the child describes their sessions as 'exciting' to talk about themselves. And it must be exciting to see a nice piece about you on the BBC website. It's probably going to be in the local paper too now. Proper celebrity stuff. Loads of attention. No chance of being just another one of Mrs Norris' three boys and not being special now.

Plus, I salute Paula Radcliffe for her measured and calm response in the Today Radio 4 programme.

Autumn is headed for puberty blockers pushed on by the unquestioning support & encouragement they are receiving from everyone around them.
Puberty blockers have such terrible side effects and they spell the end of developing meaningful adult sexuality.
Autumn should receive a huge amount of careful counselling to see if they can find a way to remain a boy, instead of all this soft coercion to "change sex".

as if prominent women athletes aren't able to understand "science"!

I think all top elite women athletes understand the science of being a top, elite athlete. Having a baby will have an impact on performance, for example, all female athletes know this.

I remember Evonne Goolagong Cawley.

'She is the only mother to have won the Wimbledon title since Dorothea Lambert Chambers in 1914. Married to Roger Cawley in 1975, she had a daughter in 1977 and won the 1980 Wimbledon title.'

From Wiki. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evonne_Goolagong_Cawley

I remember cheering to the rafters after she won that title.

Also not to forget Jessica Ennis Hill for her spectacular comeback post pregnancy.

On top of all the trans glitter nonsense, this is sexualization of a child. The BBC would surely think twice about publishing pictures of a nine year old girl dressed up like that

The BBC and The Guardian have certainly become propaganda tools in recent years. Manipulation and overly conscious positioning on many issues. The Guardian is a joke.

Just looking at the BBC Guidelines now:
www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidelines/children-young-people/principles

www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/

Thanks for the link, Iused2BanOptimist.

I've just read Kian's story on there. Utterly horrifying that they've already had a hysterectomy and mastectomy.

And yet, as someone else mentioned on that thread, adult women are being refused sterilisation 'in case they change their mind'. It beggars belief.

the BBC are doubling down on some wild PR crusade.

Or are more interested in clicks than editorial standards.

For Dooby

17yo transmale child www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3523542-17yo-transmale-child

Doobydoo I don't know but I should tread carefully if you want to stay a girl. Especially if you are in Canada.

So instead of saying ‘trans child’ broadcasters we should insist that broadcasters should always say ‘child from a family who believes in genderism’.

Just exactly like they would say ‘child from a Christian family’ or ‘child from a family of long-standing Liberal Democrats’ or whatever.

This acknowledges that these are adult views and beliefs, which children are brought up into.

It should be against BBC editorial guidelines and that of the other broadcasters to ascribe political views to any child under 18.

I completely agree.

It was the BBCR4 that 'peaked' me. I could not believe the unquestioning interview with the woman who was bringing up her 4 year old as a girl did not need any questions answering.

Bizarrely, this was just before a family law case hit the headlines (briefly on the BBC and not on their website) where a 4 year old was returned to the father they were estranged from, after the mother was bringing him up as a girl and had progressively cut herself off from support and official safeguarding, on the advice from a transgender organisation. The court found that the boy, given the space to follow his own inclinations, relaxed and was happy, and rapidly reverted to living as a boy.

Who thinks it sensible to promote the lifestyle of a young boy as a drag artist? People have always looked at the BBC to do the right thing, research things properly and to be on the side of common sense. I think people are abusing this trust that the general public have. You would have expected more sense since Saville .

It looks very much as if, in the face of interest and debate in the wider world, the BBC are doubling down on some wild PR crusade.

It should be against BBC editorial guidelines and that of the other broadcasters to ascribe political views to any child under 18.

That's a very valid points. I don't think you'd even refer to a 9-year-old being gay/straight usually would you? So why trans?

Wow and who could we complain to about the coercive control from the school? 9 yos don’t have the understanding to process this information correctly. This is sending the message that if you are an angry boy, transitioning will solve your problems.

Humphries is a sexist twazzock- you should hear him on anything to do with abortion. Same shit. 🙄

insulting to Martina and Sharron, telling us we need to listen to this footballer and "the science" - as if prominent women athletes aren't able to understand "science"!

Do Stonehaven Ladies play in a league that does IOC standard testing? What is the relevance of ‘the science’ here?

DD is 8yrs old, has no interest in makeup, uses one towel (blue) after a bath, and plays football after school.

When do we need to tell the school that she's clearly a boy?

YY regarding Autumn’s school lecturing all the other kids in sex stereotypes. I would be so fuming if I was a parent at that school- what the regressive actual 1950s fuck are they on about?

I don’t come from a religious family at all but I massively believed in god until about my mid-20s because all my schools had told me it’s good and right to do so. and to disagree would have caused a massive fuss and caused me to be left out of lots of things like singing and daily assembly with the rest of the class. I came home and argued with my parents that God is real. I just accepted it all as absolute truth and it was encouraged to be really keen about religious belief, so I was.

I’m not trying to be offensive here to anyone who holds religious beliefs and I have absolute respect for that- I just mean to say that schools really shape children’s thinking in a lasting way.

Which is exactly why Stonewall and Mermaids are targeting them.

Oh dear, my two sons may be as well - they both use two towels after the bath. (one for hair and other for body).Maybe I should get them checked out. They do use blue towels though.

They've been ignoring facts for a while now. Noticed yesterday Humphries interrupting the female expert every 5 words or so "Why? When? How?", then allowing the man to get paragraphs out at a time .

Great letter Bernard

I don’t think it’s ethical for broadcasters to refer to ‘trans children’ at all. They wouldn’t refer to ‘Labour children’ or ‘Conservative children’ or ‘communist children’ or ‘fascist children’ would they?

and IMHO broadcasters shouldn’t actually refer to ‘religious’ children either.

These are all adult concepts, beliefs and labels that their kids are going along with.

The kids may well passionately believe in these things very strongly but they are kids - they are without the experience judgement or maturity to really understand or have the freedom to think what they think for themselves, as distinct to what the adults around them think.

So instead of saying ‘trans child’ broadcasters we should insist that broadcasters should always say ‘child from a family who believes in genderism’.

Just exactly like they would say ‘child from a Christian family’ or ‘child from a family of long-standing Liberal Democrats’ or whatever.

This acknowledges that these are adult views and beliefs, which children are brought up into.

It should be against BBC editorial guidelines and that of the other broadcasters to ascribe political views to any child under 18.

(Regardless of any personal financial or other gain, attention or approval the parents of children may be seeking for themselves or the child, in giving their child such a label. )

Oh for christ's sake.

I could almost have written articles like this word for word about DS between the ages of about 3 and 12 (in fact, I did have some contact with CAMHS about him as he got so furiously distressed about things like not being allowed to nick his sister's dresses). He believed in guardian angels and Father Christmas at the time and would definitely have believed that he could magically be a mummy.

What he, personally, needed was a change of school; new friends; a drama group so he could 'be' someone else as he chose; some fabulous colourful but not stereotypically 'girl' clothing; and more of the time and attention that his disabled sibling was mostly monopolising.

Thank goodness he was born nearly 20 years ago and not 10, and the school's reaction was mild bemusement rather than assemblies suggesting he might/must/should be actually a girl.