Bloody hell BBC

FFS, messed up the link

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3531622-4thWaveNow-has-some-incredibly-disturbing-stuff-from-Facebook

In the light of the thread about Transgender Trend's screenshots from a group for parents of Trans Children (www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3531622-4thWaveNow-has-some-incredibly-disturbing-stuff-from-Facebook), the BBC's acceptance that Autumn's mother knows what's best for Autumn just looks like willful collusion in abuse to me

I can and will say, all day long, trans women are trans women, trans men are trans men. People cannot change sex and women & girls need sex-specific protections and rights.

This. For me it also matters to leave out that gap after trans to emphasise that transwomen are not a subset of women, nor transmen a subset of men. They have their own unique identity, valid, but different.

Sarah I think the vast majority of people posting here want to help protect people who are struggling with personal issues, and fighting against discrimination and abuse.
It is the case that a lot of those people are women. And what we want to do is to ensure women have the rights and protections of single-sex spaces.
If a male wants to identify as a woman, that's fine. They then have the protections of the law to ensure they are not discriminated against because they take on a gender identity that doesn't match their sex.
But we don't have to believe it, or give up single sex spaces to them.
I can and will say, all day long, trans women are trans women, trans men are trans men. People cannot change sex and women & girls need sex-specific protections and rights.

And a hefty 4.1% in the Commissioning Department identify as transgender.

Wow.

I wish I had a fiver for every time someone said that to me over the past few months, simply because I pointed out biological differences between the sexes.

Indeed. That could fund lawyers to sort this crap out in the courts, once and for all.

"transphobic and backwards"

I wish I had a fiver for every time someone said that to me over the past few months, simply because I pointed out biological differences between the sexes.

-Around 1% of BBC staff identify as lesbian. And obviously that could include some men. Because it is 2019. And it is the BBC.

BBC Equality Information Report 2018

2.5% of all staff identify as transgender at the BBC. That rises to 2.8% of senior management roles.

And a hefty 4.1% in the Commissioning Department identify as transgender.

Around 1% of BBC staff identify as lesbian. And obviously that could include some men. Because it is 2019. And it is the BBC.

Of approx 20,000 approx 417 are trans.

There seems to be a higher than average % of trans employees at the BBC, according to figures. I'd be interested to know how many of them have selfID'd, how many are AGP types, and what positions of influence they hold

I have no idea as to what % of BBC employees id as trans

However I have noticed that, when I have attempted to whistleblow at various statutory organisations re appalling abuses of vulnerable people I end up being "reassured" by people who appear to be trans working in positions of authority.

I am not claiming that these people are bad people, or even knowingly corrupt.

I suspect that what may be happening is that diversity training and diversity employment policies are resulting in people from minorities (including trans people) being placed in positions of power and authority in order to influence society as part of a programme of social engineering.

There are some extremely controversial spiritual and personal development organisations (many are considered dangerous religious cults) that have used diversity policies to exert influence in the public sector.

Some interfaith organisations appear to simply be coalitions of controversial cults with long histories of abuse allegations, criminal indictments etc.

The situation is delicate and sensitive, as the people themselves in positions of authority may not realise the extent to which they are vulnerable and have been influenced by actors with malicious intentions.

Dysphoria is not a requirement for s trans identity.

Yes fair enough that was badly worded on my part. I'm exhausted after no sleep for 2 nights in a row. I fully believe in supporting all who are struggling with any personal trans related issues and as I've said numerous times that includes exploring all options, not just those that feel less uncomfortable for others.

SarahH12, the guidelines are pinned at the top of this section. If you keep using banned terms, you risk a deletion and a strike, and three strikes leads to a suspension. Them's the rules. So annoying to have your speech policed, eh?

Dysphoria is not a requirement for s trans identity. To say that it is or should be is considered transphobic.

HTH.

Oh sorry is that part of the T&C of signing up to MN?

Yes. HTH.

why do you think girls shouldn't have to share toilets with trans girls using urinals?

Personally I'm not a fan of boys using urinals either so...

cis' is not allowed on MN, can you not use it please? Thanks.

Oh sorry is that part of the T&C of signing up to MN?

And they leave the seats up. can you not just put the seat down again?

Anyway I'm out. You can find arguments to support both sides. Personally I'm on the side of supporting those who are going through something as difficult as gender dysphoria and not being transphobic and backwards.

Everybody permanently asking me to declare pronouns because I was butch, nobody ever mentioning the possibility that butch lesbians are fine the way they are.

This is just tragic. I love my butch sisters, just exactly as they are.
I've been non-conforming all my life, and I no longer (if I ever did) give a tinker's continental damn about people who have trouble with that.
I genuinely don't have a 'gender identity' as far as I'm aware.

I'm also sick to fucking death with being told we're 'transphobic' and saying the truth is bloody hate speech.

mobile.twitter.com/catt_bear/status/1103994119154737153

This is abhorrent. Poor kids. This is BBC culture.

So is the BBC actually ok with the abuse the boys now men abused by M.Jackson suffered because their mothers thought it was Ok at the time?

This is posted as a separate thread on this forum but it's relevant to some of Sarah's arguments.
gdworkinggroup.org/2018/10/24/the-gender-identity-phantom/

There is a concept defined called “gender identity” which has no physical presence and apparently can only be made known to the person in which it resides. Comprehensive gender affirmative therapy is a high risk, experimental therapy based on low quality evidence and represents a treatment for a condition which cannot be diagnosed by any doctor.

It's like something out of a dystopian novel. I can't believe it's really happening, promoted by governments, supported by the BBC and other mainstream media outlets.
We are going to look back in utter horror years and decades down the line.

As for gender-neutral toilets: I think that was the issue that first peaktransed me.
I do not want to share toilets with men, not even cubicles. The reason:
men can't help it: they splatter urine all over the floor. Its disgusting. And they never clean up after themselves; they leave it to the more pernickety females. And they leave the seats up.
It's bad enough in private homes (though a lot of German housewives train their sons to sit on the seat) but in a public lavatory? No thanks. I don't fancy stepping in the urine splatter of strange men. Get them out.
If girls and women don't want to share toilets they should not have to.

Yes and I have to say it was a great time, and we also 100% believed we were on the right side of history, and that in 20 years time the world would be this paradisaical place of Peace (no more war!) and Love (everyone had to be loved, even the corporate assholes!) and Harmony, and living in tune with nature (today that is called Sustainable Living and is very trendy so we weren't completely wrong!

But looked what happened to the rest of it. Believing you are on the Right Side of History doesn't mean that History (Reality) is going to comply.

Lamaha

Look at the clothes those men are wearing, especially in the middle picture.

We had a transwoman on here once, who after hundreds and hundreds of posts, finally admitted the reason they wanted to transition was, as a woman, they felt they could be more 'vibrant'.

It doesn't get more vibrant than the (men's) clothing in that picture.

You've only got to look back at an 80s Top of the Pops, to see the difference. The make up, the hair, the blouson shirts, the dancing, the clothes. Far more colourful, feminine, dramatic, theatrical.

@BettyduMonde so sorry about your DD and lots of hugs.

Thanks for the great photos -- however, how could you forget the wonderful era of the hippies! I was one of them!