Civil Service Trans policy - what can I do?

This is really creepy.
The idea that you might be in trouble for simply leaving the toilets is horrible.
This kind of thing will keep women out of the workplace.

SingingLily it's the same in the police. You can be forcibly searched by a male bodied person who identifies as female. Including strip search.

If you scroll down in the link below to Stonewall's "Senior Champion of the Year" there are details of an individual who is lauded for an excessive interest in removing women's rights to sex segregated spaces in the work place (mainly toilets in the Department for Education) and who has been engaging with Civil Service Employee Policy (CSEP) to create LGBT+ inclusive guidance for use across the entire civil service

One Jonathan Slater - very senior in the DfE

www.stonewall.org.uk/sites/default/files/top_100_employers_2019.pdf

m.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=2064

This was the gender fluid police officer with two ID cards

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/fluid-gender-policeman/

Does anyone know what ACAS’s take is on trans issues?

Have you gone to your union? (Sorry, this may have been discussed).

The woman who was frightened in the toilets (the biological, actual woman) should do so if she hasn’t.

Does Woman’s place etc issue any guidance about employment rights and the law as applying in respect of single sex toilet facilities? It would be useful to have it all in one place & vetted by a lawyer with appropriate specialised knowledge.

If you do complain to HR, so long as your complaint is that you believe you are being discriminated against on grounds of sex, ie on the basis you are being asked to share toilets with a man, and that this is difficult for you because you are a woman, then any victimisation of you in consequence would legally be just that, victimisation. Penalising someone for making a claim of discrimination is itself a form of discrimination, regardless of the merits of the underlying original claim.

Trousering has the best solution, whistleblowing procedure. Ignore what I said.

OP I don't think you could be accused of discrimination if you raised your concerns privately with HR, although I can understand why you may not wish to. If you made comments publicly or to a trans colleague then yes that could be seen as discriminatory. Not saying that's right, and I share your concern. An anonymous complaint to HR via a union might be the best approach? Or if you have a contact in a women's network who shares your views perhaps via them?

The Equality Act (2010) identifies 9 protected characteristics.
They are

age
disability
gender reassignment
marriage & civil partnership
pregnancy & maternity
religion or belief
race
sex
sexual orientation
These protected characteristics exist to ensure that everyone is treated equally and fairly and to guard against discrimination.

The policies are breaching/compromising the rights of some women in more than the sex characteristic.

Also the Equalities and Human Rights Commission should be asked by media covering this to comment. It’s their job to give guidance on the Equalities Act so they should be asked if they think this guidance is in line with the Act- particularly how it affects women who believe TWANW and also women of other beliefs who require single sex toileting accommodation at work.

And the woman who turned heels was probably also embarrassed and possibly scared and confused. Only one of them had a right to be in there - it guess who be backed and who will be attacked?

Mcl1 and anyone else wondering what the fuss is about, have a read:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3518546-help-a-brother-out

"it was discussed that a Trans Woman was left hurt and embarrassed recently after a woman did an immediate u-turn out of the toilets when she saw them."

Autogynephilia .. right there. The use of women's toilets is validating for these AGPs .. they are sexually aroused by it. This policy is, probably unknowingly since they appear to be unaware of autogynephilia and all its implications for women, sexual harassment.

This document reads like it is two years out of date - which it is. I expect any request regarding its status will be something along the lines of needing to wait for the outcome of the GRA consultation, at which point it will be reviewed

I know that's no help to anyone in the meantime

Unions are run by misogynistic shit heads and I’m saying that having been a union rep for years. Smash the glass ceiling in the union, not with those fuckers dragging you of the ladder.

I would also tell journalists that you are whistleblowing anonymously or via a thread here. Explain in your whistleblowing report that you will be sharing both your report and their management of it.

If that worries you too much we could engage with fair play for women, happy to contribute to crowd fund for legal support on this if needed.

I think you're wasting your time with unions, because they won't challenge this. Internal employee consultations are going to place you in conflict as the very act of objecting is already framed as unacceptable by the policy which is being considered. This is what you're blowing the whistle on.

Every thing on this thread is useful to include, plus the descrimination on the grounds of beliefs that the policy is enforcing.

I think as many civil servants as possible should blow the whistle on this back door discrimination. They are not joining the dots.

I was pleased (maybe not the right word as it was a horrible thing for the child) to read about the little girl in Falkirk (?) who did Make A Fuss when a male person (who says they are female, bla bla bla) tried to sexually assault her in the ladies loo.

The little girl knew - she kicked ‘her’ in the goolies and screamed blue murder. Give that girl a medal.

The girl recognised her attacker as being a male.
She decribed her attacker as being a 'man with long hair'

"Miss Lumsden said: “The complainer’s dad then heard his daughter screaming and came running out of the bathroom, looking as if she was running away from someone.

“She explained that a crazy man with long hair was in the bathroom and had grabbed her face and pushed her into a cubicle, before demanding she take her trousers off.

“She said the person had said they would stab her mum. She was upset and inconsolable.”

Another young girl was assaulted by the same male person in other women's supermarket toilets."
www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/702003/fife-teen-on-sex-offenders-register-after-supermarket-child-attacks/

The crimes were male-pattern.
The offender was 17 at the time of the assaults and is now 18 so cannot have a GRC

The girls were both under 12 years old.

As well as being placed in a woman's hostel, media reports use the offenders' preferred pronouns 'she/her'

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3496984-Article-in-Dundee-Courier-about-assault-of-10-year-old-girl-in-supermarket-toilets

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3496984-Article-in-Dundee-Courier-about-assault-of-10-year-old-girl-in-supermarket-toilets

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3518831-Sex-offender-placed-in-women-s-hostel

August 2018 original report discussed.
It was clear to many here that the offender was male and likely identified as trans/non-binary. Posters were accused of being bigoted, unfair etc etc
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329936-teen-films-girl-in-toilet

Its about Safeguarding.

My DH is in an old school heavily unionised sector

I always looked at the famous union men - and they were always men - and thought yes you stand for all sort of people, black white disabled gay etc
Men

I never felt they were interested in women at all

You see this in the labour party

It's all for men and always has been.

Not sure if this is the right thread to put this on but I came across this gem from the Uk National Statistics service today that was written in 2009. Talks about the trans umbrella and self id [[http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/measuring-equality/equality/equality-data-review/trans-data-position-paper.pdf ]]

Yes uniony types are a bit right on - until you explain why their little girl may well have to change for dance class with a little boy - or share a tent with a boy at girl guides and they wouldn’t know beforehand. That usually shakes them out if their rose tinted glasses.

Thank you for this valuable advice, Trousering.

OP all unions are woke. Last year’s TUC motion 41 and the debate around it shows the majority of attendees consider that GC women are witches to be burned at the stake.

I for one was fuming with my union and complained. It fell on deaf ears.

civilservice.blog.gov.uk/2014/12/17/whistleblowers/

If you feel intimidated and contractually gagged I recommend you use the whistle blowing policy as this is the purpose.

It provides protection.