Trans Teen Survival Guide by Fox and Owl

If you read the reviews you will see that they are being used to promote more than the book. All 5stars and wide eyed hero worship? Give me a break.

And as for ‘bullies’? ‘Stop bean meanies and let them alone’ - this isn't the school ground and they are fuelling a dangerous cult like mentality. It needs to be discussed.

How do you give an honest review if you've not read the book?

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Stop being bullies and leave them alone.

A scary amount of 5 ⭐️ from people who profess to be professionals and run clubs for poor teenage sods.

Name changing is also a big part of cultism.

Jesus Christ, this is grooming 101 isn't it?
It's also cultism 101 - tell your victims that their family is sick/evil, that the cult is the way to happiness, keep them away from any dissenting opinions and views.

R0wan that's exactly why I query the front page about suicide. I'm sure they actually think they're doing 'good' they're so far down the ferret hole, but the reality is that it's confusing things even more for young people and as the article points out, the pressure is becoming militarised with that suicide thing as the front shield.

We've just heard how damaging repeated images of self harm on Instagram were to the young girl who then killed her self. The kids don't need this.

We are all unique and this is ever needs to be campaigned. Actual dysphoria is different and needs to be left to the professionals. Interestingly, a number of transsexuals believe nothing should be medicalised till over 21.

What happened to the film that Owl was making? I was looking forward to that!

Yep. Couple it with the matey "ew, genitals are gross, aren't they?" weirdness, this really is looking pretty ugly stuff.

"If your family cannot come to terms with you being trans and become abusive and toxic, cutting ties with them and spending time away from them is often better than trying to make amends or get them to understand."

Jesus Christ, this is grooming 101 isn't it?

This is aimed at teenagers.

Its worth considering the work and activism of Fox & Owl in context of the issues at GIDS reported in today's Sunday Times by Andrew Gillingham:

'Staff at trans clinic fear damage to children as activists pile on pressure'
(extract)
England’s only NHS gender clinic for children is exposing young patients to “long-term damage” because of its “inability to stand up to the pressure” from “highly politicised” campaigners and families demanding fast-track gender transition, some of its own doctors say.

The Gender Identity Development Service (Gids), part of the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust in north London, is providing “woefully inadequate” care, according to a report by a senior clinician and former governor of the trust. Some staff have “very serious ethical concerns” about children making life-changing decisions with “inadequate” examination and consent." (continues)

The true histories of “highly disturbed or complex” child patients were not properly explored by Gids clinicians struggling with “huge and unmanageable caseloads” and afraid of being accused of transphobia if they questioned the “rehearsed” surface presentation. The report says the concerns voiced by staff are shared by Sonia Appleby, who is in charge of safeguarding at the trust." (continues)

Examples of cases in the report include a girl from a family with a history of abuse of females. The mother’s anxiety about having a daughter was transmitted to her child, who resolved to change gender. Another girl felt “deeply guilty” after her brother died tragically, so she decided to give her parents “their son back” by changing gender. Some openly homophobic parents sought transition for their children because they were gay.

In other cases, uncomfortable feelings that are normal for adolescents are being “relabelled as to do with wishing to change gender, a position . . . which the service is unable to challenge”. Gids has “close relationships with organisations that are identified as part of the pro-trans lobby such as Gendered Intelligence and Mermaids, and [went] to some lengths to placate them,” the report says." (continues)

thread with sharetoken to full article:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3509817-Times-16-2-1-9-Staff-at-trans-clinic-fear-damage-to-children

It'd get hounded of course but then lots of good books throughout history were hounded and in some cases banned. Oftentimes it makes the more intellectually curious want to read it more. It'd have to be intelligent and written by nonconforming adults who understand the insider's view of the trans/queer lobby so that the probable arguments against the book could be dealt with within its pages, I think. Anyway, just floating an idea.

Self publishing is a much easier thing these days I hear. You publish online and there are companies who print copies of the book if it is bought rather than publishing and printing a load up front. Then we could all buy it and encourage everybody else who's worried about nconf teens to buy it.

Could people write their own book for nonconforming teens which analyses sex and gender from a feminist perspective and gives tips on fighting the patriarchy?

Do you think it would be published?

Could people write their own book for nonconforming teens which analyses sex and gender from a feminist perspective and gives tips on fighting the patriarchy?

What would Samaritan's view of the page on someone's suicide at the front of a book for teens be I wonder?

Also given the issues instagram have had over self harm images.

Started reading it online now.

When it comes to trans people, it's quite obvious that gender assignment in our society is flawed. While it does indeed work for the majority of people, it doesn't work for all of us. And that's why it's dangerous to try to force it upon everyone. When we try to pin a gender on someone else and tell them what they are or what they are not, we are enforcing the same ideology that divides men and women and creates inequality and discrimination based on gender. We are reducing people to the sum of their bodies and reproductive capacity, and using the same oppression that has primarily been used against women to enact laws, limitations and systematic discrimination on their freedom and their bodies.

Um NO Fox and Owl - you have it exactly the wrong way round.

You are not 'oppressing' men by saying they are not biological females. A man who wants to act out feminine gender stereotypes should feel free to do so. It'd be a good way to knock the stereotypes down! But acting according to those stereotypes does not make him a woman. That's actually enforcing the stereotypes.

Also, the umbrella with the 'cis' raindrops falling on it..... This is what cults do isn't it? They try and isolate people by alienating them from their friends, family etc.

Im another one who thinks that that line about checking a baby's genitals at birth being 'gross' is kind of creepy and a totally inappropriate thing to say to an impressionable teenager.