Trans Teen Survival Guide by Fox and Owl

Most people do not question their gender

Of course they do. But most people are insightful enough, or thank goodness grew up before all this and came to realise that if they don’t fit nicely into the crap little boxes society wants women or men to fit into, them theres something too narrow about those boxes.

It takes ideology and grooming to make a child think theres something wrong with THEM.

Most people, almost all, have a period of questioning who they are, how they fit in, and how sex stereotypes fit with their personality. Those stereotypes are narrowing by the year. Why?

Why are we telling kids THEY are wrong, when we should be saying the sex stereotypes are wrong, and the kids themselves are just fine as they are?

There is nothing wrong with YOU. You are fine as you are. You are not norm in the wrong body. You cannot ever change sex. What’s wrong is the narrow set of stereotypes society expects from each sex. If that doesn’t fit with your personality then it’s not you who is wrong!

@Jazzbunny

Do you think it's possible for humans to change sex or be born in e wrong body?

I read one comment that said, 'substitute trans with black and if what you've written sounds racists, then you are being transphobic'. Try it.

Maybe you could try this:

I am white but I feel black. I know I am a black person who was born in a white person's body. I am trans race. I am going to paint my face black, I'm going to tie my hair into corn rows, I'm going to change my name to Shaniqua, I'm going to wear lots of gold jewellery, I'm going to become really knowledgeable about hip hop and rap, I'm going to demand that I am shortlisted for awards that are meant for black people, I'm going to tell 'cis' black people how privileged they are that they were assigned the correct race at birth, I'm going to tell black people how exclusionary they are being for not including me in their activism, because you know, not all black people have black skin.

Offensive? Stereotyping? Totally unacceptable?

Or just someone being their 'authentic self'?

You're not looking in the right places jazzbunny. Have you read stuff on tumblr or reddit? There is a lot of encouragement for children questioning their gender to come out as trans. A lot.

one minute you are talking about how blockers and hormones once taken, immediately stop the use of what is downstairs... then you are talking about them being a threat in the bathroom... How?

1. allowing the presence of some males in women's spaces normalises the presence of all males in women's spaces. The males who identify as women may not be a threat in themselves, but the open the door wide for men who are, making women less safe

2. I don't want to share single sex toilets or changing rooms with any men because it compromises my privacy and dignity.

Are they going to be anymore of a threat than say someone like Rose West or Myra Hindley?

Those people are highly unusual exceptions. 98% of sexual offenses are committed by men. There is no evidence that the offending rate among males who identify as women is any different. Which is not to say that all males who identify as women are sex offenders, any more that all men are. But does mean that the reasons we keep men out of a small number of places where women are vulnerable apply equally to males who identify as women and to men who don't identify as women

A good parent should teach love not hate.

You're so right. A good parent should teach children that their body is perfect, and no matter which colours, toys, hairstyles or activities they like - it remains perfect.

Mermaids promote affirmation and transition - posts confirming this are all over Mermaids twitter feed. Mermaids push children onto a medicalised pathway, they advertise the services of illegal GP practices prescribing puberty blockers. All this is a matter of public record.

We say to children they do not need to change their healthy bodies to fit into societal gender stereotypes.

That's why the "born in the wrong body" narrative pushed by TRAs and Mermaids is so damaging.

Just as we don't push teens with anorexia to lose weight, we shouldn't push children who feel confused about their gender to change their bodies to "fit" into gender stereotypes.

Of course kids who aren’t transgender will look at the book. It will get passed around groups of mates and teens being the rational, critical and sensible creatures that they are may well come to the conclusion that they are of the rainbow tribe.

Making stars out if people pushing such a rigid agenda - so not ‘find out who you are and be happy with this’ but you are trans you are trans and anyone who doesn’t support you is the enemy who knows fuck all but we - we who don’t know you and have never met you do know! It’s all good! It’s all great!

Questioning is not to be tolerated. Questioners are to be attacked. Really?

Most people do not question their gender

I'd disagree.

A teenager isn't going to go looking for this book unless they feel they are transgender. Most people do not question their gender

On the contrary most people do question gender roles at some point in their life; when they feel what society expects of them is contrary to who they feel themselves to be.

The existence of a whole ideology around transgenderism, and books such as this is self reinforcing. Rather than enabling people to be who they are within their own natural and healthy body, this encourages people to seek medical and surgical solutions to the existential crises of identity and feelings about the self in society.

It is also selling a falsehood. That you can change your biological sex. In order to maintain this falsehood - everyone else must be coerced and silenced into submission, and the rights for privacy and dignity of biological women over-ruled.

A mother has a duty of care to support their child with unconditional love

A parent (or those with parental responsibility) has a duty of care towards the safety of their child/ren.
This is central to the Safeguarding framework.

We seem to be creating a social and legal climate where women are going to be unable to legally protect their children.

This.

It sort of sets up a trap, almost. A mother has a duty of care, but the systems are being altered to make it impossible to prevent harm without the mother committing an offence.

We seem to be creating a social and legal climate where women are going to be unable to legally protect their children. if you speak up about the man in the guide pack, the mixed sex loos at work, the fact you feel your child is perhaps autistic or being groomed online then you’re going to be at best demonised socially but at worst, youre going to have your parental duties circumvented or removed. Named person legislation, austerity, safeguarding exceptions... they are all converging on one point. That point is removing a parent’s ability to protect their child. the burden will fall disproportionately on women, I think, as more are primary carers, but of course this affects dads too.

I would love to see one of the journalists like Gillighan explore this specific point.

For fox and owl to promote this so blithely is concerning. They are equating a parent’ concern for the child with the parent abusing the child. That is not OK. We do not become good parents by giving our children everything they want instantaneously. We give them what they need and if what they want is damaging to them then out duty is to protect them from it.

Parents have a legal duty of care towards children. For a parent to blindly affirm and push a child towards permanent medication and surgery when they suspect another cause is anderiliction of that duty.

See also similar recent comments by prominant Trans activists Munroe Bergorf in response to serious Safeguarding concerns about the 10 year old boy who performed in an adult strip club as 'Desmond is Amazing'.
Bergdorf's response demonstrated a failure to understand both Safeguarding and parenting responsibilities.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3512177-Julia-Long-asking-Munro-Bergdorf-about-child-exploitation

Object! article by HANNAH HARRISON identifies very serious concerns about the risks to children and young people by failures in safeguarding frameworks within the trans / Queer community.
www.objectnow.org/news/2019/1/15/trans-kids-paedophilia-in-drag?

A scary amount of 5 ⭐️ from people who profess to be professionals and run clubs for poor teenage sods.

Many youth support groups are run by male transpeople who do not understand Safeguarding and have no previous youth work experience.

It seems that with regards children who question their gender identity usual safeguards and scope of support availableare not in place.

This can have serious implications as described in the article recently published by 4th WaveNow:

'My Trans Youth Group Experience with Morgan Page'
January 26, 2019
by GNC-centric (GNC-centric is a detransitioned dysphoric lesbian. She lived as a trans man for most of her teen years in Canada. For many of those years she attended book readings and lectures on gender and LGBT events, and studied queer ideology. She now uses social media to speak critically about the harms she witnessed and experienced as a member of the transgender community.)

(extract)
"Morgan didn’t present herself as someone to emulate, but as someone to share her trans experiences with us. She spoke of her time as a teen prostitute, her SRS, her art, her writing, and her connections in the queer community. I think most of the teens saw her as someone to just give us advice and support, since she could recommend which clinics or doctors to see to start HRT and tell you what you needed to say to doctors so they’d sign off on SRS. She’d talk about what to expect after SRS. She knew the MTF side personally, but she also was intimate with a fair number of trans men so she told us about the FTM side too. At the time, to me, she seemed like the magic key to accessing all the medical transition resources I wanted. This was a trans support group, so one might assume this was normal—and it may have been for such a gathering—but in retrospect, I find elements of this concerning.

Unsurprisingly, most of the teens seemed to be there without their parents’ knowledge (as I was), but there was unquestioning support for all of them to medically transition as soon as they wanted. There was one male nonbinary who complained about how they had to perform more femininity in order for their doctor to get them a prescription for estrogen. To us in the group, this doctor was evil for trying to deny our friend what they needed. Looking back now, the only thing that made this person “trans” was their clothing and nail polish. They made no attempt to pass as female, so I understand why a doctor might have been hesitant.

One of the most memorable experiences I had there was when I was 16 and had brought my 15-year-old non-trans female friend with me. We were hanging out, talking about the usual stuff, when Morgan mentioned she was going to be a judge at the Porn Awards that night and invited my friend and I to go with her for free. We said no—I knew right away I would probably see penises, and that would make my dysphoria worse. At that point in my life I had only seen porn once, and since then had only talked to porn actors and cam girls in the queer/trans community online. I honestly thought it was all empowering and fun. Still, my gut reaction was “no,” thank god.

Morgan’s personal life would often come up. This wasn’t a problem in and of itself, but I believe it normalized some harmful behaviour for us younger people. She would talk about when she was a teen and had a 30 year old boyfriend, then one of the teen FTMs would chime in how they had an adult boyfriend. She would talk about the drugs she did as a teen—weed, coke, poppers, etc; people would chime in about doing drugs in high school. She would talk about her time as a prostitute/sex worker, and others would accept this as a normal part of most MTFs’ lives. It’s one thing to be open about these topics so teens can discuss them without fear or shame, but another to present them as typical behaviour for trans people" (continues)

concludes:
"Honestly, my friends and I thought we might find help for our dysphoria, help understanding how trans identities and sexual orientation intersect, and yes, how to get HRT & SRS. Dysphoric and gender-nonconforming kids and teens need support groups that help address their everyday problems, without automatically being labeled as trans. In retrospect, that group was a breeding ground for predators and narcissistic trans males, with trans females discouraged from pointing this out on account of their “masc privilege”. At the end of the day, I think the members of the group internalized the prioritizing of MTFs and the silencing of FTMs, a mindset that now permeates almost all of the LGBT community."

4thwavenow.com/tag/morgan-page/

Stop being bullies and leave them alone.

Fox and Owl are adults with considerable media and political influence both in UK and Iceland.

They are promoted as 'role models' for vulnerable children questioning their gender identity and have written a book specifically marketed as a 'survival guide' for teenagers.

As identified in the recent GIDS report, trans rights activists are affecting Safeguarding frameworks intended to protect children and young people.

Fox and Owl have demonstrated repeatedly that they do not understand Safeguarding.
Parents and adults who do understand Safeguarding will of course interrogate and identify the Safeguarding concerns with a book deliberately marketed at vulnerable children.

Sunday Times, 'Staff at trans clinic fear damage to children as activists pile on pressure'
(extract)
"The report was compiled late last year by David Bell, then staff governor, whose role was to present staff concerns. It says some children “take up a trans identity as a solution” to “multiple problems such as historic child abuse in the family, bereavement . . . homophobia and a very significant incidence of autism spectrum disorder” after being “coached” online and by trans activist groups.

The true histories of “highly disturbed or complex” child patients were not properly explored by Gids clinicians struggling with “huge and unmanageable caseloads” and afraid of being accused of transphobia if they questioned the “rehearsed” surface presentation. The report says the concerns voiced by staff are shared by Sonia Appleby, who is in charge of safeguarding at the trust.

Some youngsters were referred for puberty-blocking hormones — which are usually followed at 16 by cross-sex hormones causing irreversible change and lower fertility — after just one session, the report says. The trust denied this.

Examples of cases in the report include a girl from a family with a history of abuse of females. The mother’s anxiety about having a daughter was transmitted to her child, who resolved to change gender. Another girl felt “deeply guilty” after her brother died tragically, so she decided to give her parents “their son back” by changing gender. Some openly homophobic parents sought transition for their children because they were gay.

In other cases, uncomfortable feelings that are normal for adolescents are being “relabelled as to do with wishing to change gender, a position . . . which the service is unable to challenge” Gids has “close relationships with organisations that are identified as part of the pro-trans lobby such as Gendered Intelligence and Mermaids, and [went] to some lengths to placate them,” the report says." (continues)
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/staff-at-trans-clinic-fear-damage-to-children-as-activists-pile-on-pressure-c5k655nq9?shareToken=14ca44214d620680c9d1898b96492582

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3509817-Times-16-2-1-9-Staff-at-trans-clinic-fear-damage-to-children

If there's any bullying happening its by those who continually attempt to prevent and curtail women on Mumsnet FWR discussing Safeguarding concerns.

Do these people have jobs?

For Fox and Owl being trans is their job. It's lucrative.

Yes. It's tempting to look at them and see a pair of faintly ridiculous and dull people attempting to make themselves interesting with hyper wokeness, and sharing that with a group of young people also concerned about wokeness. It doesn't seem especially threatening, just odd.

But they are in a position of significant influence, and their methods, laid out in this published work, are revealed to be extremely sinister, and I think we shouldn't dismiss them as quirky egotists, even though they are that too.

Will they be there to pick up the pieces when a child hits the buffers and has alienated themselves from family and friends? No here’s a clue ‘ker-ching!’.

What Bowlofbabelfish just said.

jazz - parental alienation is a technique used by abusers and cults. Cafcass consider parental alienation to be a form of child abuse in itself. Cults use it to isolate people.

Abusive men use isolation from family support structures to control women.

For fox and owl to promote this so blithely is concerning. They are equating a parent’ concern for the child with the parent abusing the child. That is not OK. We do not become good parents by giving our children everything they want instantaneously. We give them what they need and if what they want is damaging to them then out duty is to protect them from it.

Parents have a legal duty of care towards children. For a parent to blindly affirm and push a child towards permanent medication and surgery when they suspect another cause is anderiliction of that duty.

For that paragraph on parental alienation alone, this book should be criticised strongly. It is grooming. It’s also very worrying when seen in the light of named person legislation, which would allow non qualified people to remove parental rights.