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Article in Dundee Courier about assault of 10 year old girl in supermarket toilets

107 replies

howonearthdidwegethere · 02/02/2019 10:25

The original article was very odd in that it completely avoiding naming the sex of the perpetrator. Well, guess what?

Never happens, of course.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/819644/mum-of-supermarket-toilet-sex-assault-victim-warns-freed-attacker-could-strike-again/?fbclid=IwAR1BjeZ0GLBEa4iRDzUXAABAzAkHHl3HBdfac2NqBfN-JyKO6GYyw1l1FcY

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R0wantrees · 02/02/2019 12:36

So he managed to offend while being under direct supervision. He saw the young girl and made up an excuse on the spot to evade his carer and be alone with the young girl in order to offend.

And after he was arrested and charged for that offence, he was then found alone a month later in the women's toilets where he had sexually assaulted a 10 year old girl. No carer in sight.

Care work isn't neccessarily constant supervision. It often involves supporting young people to do shopping budgetting etc.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 02/02/2019 12:35

But this never happens!

The girl and her family must be transphobes.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

R0wantrees · 02/02/2019 12:34

Dolatowski admitted sexually assaulting the girl and following another girl into the toilets at Asda Halbeath, Dunfermline, on February 8, and trying to film her urinating by holding her mobile phone over the cubicle partition.

Banning her from having contact with children, Sheriff James Williamson gave her what he described as a “stringent” community-based sentence, allowing her to be released from Polmont Young Offenders Institution to supported accommodation.

Dolatowski was considered to pose a “moderate risk” of reoffending but Sheriff Williamson said: “I have come to the conclusion that the public will be better protected by the imposition of a stringent community payback order.”

I wonder if the assessments were able to consider whether this male presents a risk to females?

Dolatowski is a Vulnerable Adult and so will likely be in receipt of supportive services and housing etc alongside other Vulnerable Adults which may include over 18yr old females.

Dolatowski's gender identity may continue to prevent effective risk management.

BettyDuMonde · 02/02/2019 12:28

That girl and her mother are brave as fuck.

It’s an insult to both of them to gaslight them by declaring this dangerous paedophile to be a woman. Well done to the mother for refusing to kowtow to the bullshit. He/Him indeed.

Popchyk · 02/02/2019 12:24

"In the origninal article, it described how he was with a support worker at the supermarket. Had they been required to support his 'right' to use the women's toilets?"

From the original article:

"Depute fiscal Sarah Lumsden told the court the accused had been to the toilets with a carer and was walking towards the exit when the young child walked past.

Miss Lumsden said: “The accused (said their) mobile phone was still in the toilets and returned to them, alone".

So he managed to offend while being under direct supervision. He saw the young girl and made up an excuse on the spot to evade his carer and be alone with the young girl in order to offend.

And after he was arrested and charged for that offence, he was then found alone a month later in the women's toilets where he had sexually assaulted a 10 year old girl. No carer in sight.

R0wantrees · 02/02/2019 11:57

It is significant that the perpetrator had been supported by both social care and mental health services.

The perpetrator was under 18 at the time he assaulted the two young girls so could not have had a GRC.

Were the supportive services required to affirm his gender identity due to the policies influenced by transrights activists lobbying of Social Care and Mental Health (Memorandum of Understanding) ?

In the origninal article, it described how he was with a support worker at the supermarket. Had they been required to support his 'right' to use the women's toilets?

"Defence solicitor Andrew Grieve said his client had been in the social care system from the age of three and had been actively engaging with mental health services"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3448221-Recommendation-that-Butterfly-used-as-training-material-for-social-workers

thread with the toolkit and resources produced for professionals working with young people in the care system questioning their gender identity & specifically for the children & young people produced by Three Circles Fostering:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

Tara Hewitt (co founder of TELI) & Three Circles Fostering were key to producing the resources linked above. In September 2018 they promoted the toolkit and its guidance to a social care conference in Scotland.

"Excited to be going on road trip to Scotland tomorrow with ThreeCirclesLAC colleagues before we deliver a key note on trans young people in care at national adoption & fostering conference. Long journey but important cause. TRANS & NON BINARY CHILDREN & YOUNG PEOPLE MATTER"

twitter.com/Tara_Hewitt/status/1045044909118509056

Tara Hewitt cofounded TELI with Michelle Hudson and Jess Bradley

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385533-Prominant-campaigning-role-of-Tara-Hewitt-NHS-TELI-Social-work-universities-etc

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374926-What-influence-does-TELI-have-on-government-public-services-and-charities-policies-Co-founders-include-Jess-Bradley-Tara-Hewitt-and-Michelle-Hudson

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325882-WEP-conference-questions-for-panel-of-trans-rights-advocating-barristers

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii

Sightreading · 02/02/2019 11:40

Sorry bit of a bollox of a sentence at the beginning. Meant to read 'How are their carers and social workers supposed to react when they start to identify as a woman (or man)?'

QuietContraryMary · 02/02/2019 11:40

And they say gender identity disorder is a paraphalia and that it's comorbid with other paraphalia? Can't be true.

Katvonfelttipeyebrows · 02/02/2019 11:38

But this couldn't possibly have happened!

Oh, yes, yes it did Angry

Sightreading · 02/02/2019 11:37

This person is obviously mentally ill. What I wonder is how their carers and social workers react when they start to identify as women. Are they allowed to be alarmed at that? Or be suspicious that it might be another manifestation of their mental illness? Or do they have to accept that this particular decision/compartment of their life (to identify as the opposite sex) is 'healthy' and not at all related to any mental illness? Because identifying as a transgender person is absolutely not, never has been and never will be a mental illness.

NottonightJosepheen · 02/02/2019 11:31

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sackrifice · 02/02/2019 11:28

Moderate risk of reoffending?

Fuck sake. Someone with mental health issues who has already done it twice? That is not moderate risk, that is high risk.

Juells · 02/02/2019 11:27

who identifies as a woman but was believed by her victim’s family to be a man

Gosh, that silly family.

Deliriumoftheendless · 02/02/2019 11:22

That child was incredibly brave. She is amazing. 👏👏👏

NottonightJosepheen · 02/02/2019 11:13

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TalkingintheDark · 02/02/2019 10:56

Yy, PositivelyPerf. I could weep at the utter shiteness of it all.

This made me cheer a bit: The brave schoolgirl, however, punched Dolatowski in the face, stomach and groin and ran to her father and siblings waiting just outside the toilets.

But she’s still traumatised. Still no longer feels safe in public toilets. Because she knows she isn’t safe in public toilets now. Sadly, I think it’s going to take a lot more of these assaults - far too many more - before the reality-deniers finally get their heads out of their arses and see the Emperor is stark bollock naked.

GerryblewuptheER · 02/02/2019 10:49

Not proper trans

Never happens

Victim is a bigot..

Never happened

Did I miss anything?

Absolutely shocking that they are free to do it all over again.

And how dare they gaslight the victim and her family with pronouns Angry

PositivelyPERF · 02/02/2019 10:47

Obviously your transphobia is making you imagine things. A transwoman would never ever ever pose a risk to women or children. We should be welcoming those poor souls into female spaces because all they want to do is pee. 😒

HamiltonCork · 02/02/2019 10:47

The sentencing in this country is a fucking joke.

Popchyk · 02/02/2019 10:46

I'm surprised that "Katie" didn't get an absolute discharge, like Christopher Daniel did when he sexually assaulted a 6 year old over a period of 2 years.

But then Katie isn't middle class.

Scottish justice right now for perpetrators of the sexual abuse of young girls:

middle class = absolute discharge
working class = tagging

howonearthdidwegethere · 02/02/2019 10:44

Someone has helpfully bumped the original thread from when the assault was first reported:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329936-teen-films-girl-in-toilet?pg=5

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YouCantTourniquetTheTaint · 02/02/2019 10:41

Thats not a punishment for sexually assaulting a child and spying on another. He is peadofile and will do it a again.

nauticant · 02/02/2019 10:38

Sorry bubblewire I was being sarcastic along "it never happens" lines.

Popchyk · 02/02/2019 10:37

"But instead of being jailed at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court, Dolatowski, who identifies as a woman but was believed by her victim’s family to be a man, was given community payback and tagging orders".

Will happen again.

This person deliberately entered the women's toilets and sexually assaulted a 10 year old girl on one occasion and then tried to film a 12 year old girl on another occasion in the women's toilets.

But he's been told not to do it again.

So I'm sure he won't.

heresyandwitchcraft · 02/02/2019 10:36

Thanks OP.

This offender is DANGEROUS.
Should not be allowed ANYWHERE near female facilities.
I feel awful for the families, and those poor girls.
A previous discussion here, where MN twigged on the fact that the pronouns in reporting and description of the perpetrator were strange:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329936-teen-films-girl-in-toilet