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Gamer raises $100,000 (and rising) for trans charity Mermaids by playing Donkey Kong non-stop

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FeministFrequencyFan · 20/01/2019 01:56

"Tens of thousands of pounds has been raised for transgender charity Mermaids, thanks to a Twitch streamer playing Donkey Kong 64 for an entire day.

HBomberGuy (Harry Brewis), a popular UK-based content creator who has more than 300,000 subscribers on YouTube, came up with an unlikely way to raise money for the embattled transgender children’s charity, which recently had part of its lottery funding suspended after a campaign from anti-trans activists."

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/01/19/mermaids-trans-donkey-kong-twitch/

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AugustL · 22/01/2019 20:23

So just to be clear, the mother that was found by the High Court to have been forcing her son to live as a girl, was being advised by Mermaids.

"the mother, who was being advised by the group, forced her seven-year-old son to live as a girl."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mermaids-uk-charity-ban-as-boy-forced-to-live-as-girl-dvx3j99cn

The child was removed from the mother and lives happily as a boy now with his dad. After all this, Mermaids still says the child a trans girl:

metro.co.uk/2017/10/08/charity-advised-mum-to-force-her-son-7-to-live-as-a-girl-6984649/

And this doesn't concern some people?

Or people don't bother to research, as they think anyone criticising Mermaids is a " transphobe "...

Thanks @Bluestitch I'll read.

"This judgment was delivered in private. The judge has given leave for this version of the judgment to be published " - this version, does that mean there's things ommitted? Or just that names have been removed?

Since I posted the Times link, I'll post the correction about Court Order vs. mother saying the Judge told her to cease further contact with Mermaids.

"Mermaids has informed us that it has not been the subject of a court order; rather, it was told by the child’s mother that the judge had said that the child was to have no contact with Mermaids."
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/corrections-and-clarifications-mermaids-transgender-charity-svh8mvm0t

"Contrary to what is implied in the Times article, Mermaids has not been banned from contact with the child by the high court, and Mermaids was directly referenced only once during proceedings, to state that the mother had been receiving support from the charity. Following the proceedings, the mother informed us that the judge had ordered the child should have no further contact with the charity. While we have not received any legal notice to support this statement, we have respected this request.

In a High Court case, reported last year, Mr Justice Hayden removed the child – known only as ‘J’ – from his mother after finding she had caused him ‘significant emotional harm’ and ‘pressed [him] into a gender identification that had far more to do with his mother’s needs and little, if anything, to do with his own’. After the judgement, the Sunday Times reported, the charity Mermaids attacked the ‘horrific decision’ and insisted that J did in fact identify as a girl, and said there was ‘no evidence at all to support this judge’s views’.
J was being home-schooled and dressed in girls’ clothes, the court found. After being removed from his mother, the boy was sent to live with his father and was sent to school, and has since ‘asserted his own masculine gender’ by living life as a boy, the judgement said.
Read more: metro.co.uk/2017/10/08/charity-advised-mum-to-force-her-son-7-to-live-as-a-girl-6984649/?ito=cbshare

Ok, but the thing I don't like here is the term "'masculine' gender" he doesn't have to be "masculine" to be a boy. He has stated that he is a boy, according to court evidence and is happy as a boy.
Boys and girls should be able to play with and wear whatever they want.

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And to Dr Webberley about the other kid, girls don't have to wear dresses, and can play with the boys, this doesn't mean they are boys and have to transition to be a boy. Ffs. Stop with this. It's personally offensive. How can you live with yourself? I hope there is more to it than that. I'm so glad I didn't grow up now, and actually I'm so glad I have the family I have, because they wouldn't subscribe to this. This is going backwards.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/01/2019 19:53

I did! I thoughts someone had got delusions of grandeur

nauticant · 22/01/2019 19:40

Did anyone else do a double-take at Mr Justice Hayden?

GrinitchSpinach · 22/01/2019 19:35

Apologies if this been linked here before, but it belongs in the discussion of Mermaids:

Sarah Phillimore, a family lawyer, examines the implications of "The Decisions in re: J" by Mr Justice Hayden:

childprotectionresource.online/in-whose-best-interests-transgender-children-choices-and-consequences/

Bluestitch · 22/01/2019 19:31

Yes Rowantrees that passage struck me too. Very perceptive. Surprised the judge hasn't been targeted for transphobia tbh.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/01/2019 19:27

Dont listen to professionals! Listen to enthusiastic amateurs with an axe to grind! What’s the worst that can happen?

What do they supposedly do for a living again?

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 19:15

Bluestitch YY

Justice Hayden:

Transgender equality has received a great deal of attention in recent times. I believe that in this case the profile and sensitivity of the matters raised by the mother blinded a number of professionals from applying their training, skills and, it has to be said, common sense. They failed properly to investigate M's assertions, in part I suspect, because they did not wish to appear to be challenging an emerging orthodoxy in such a high profile issue.

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 19:13

Freespeecher I don't have archives, sorry to disappoint!

Freespeecher · 22/01/2019 19:09

It has to be said R0wantrees your archives are second to none.

Bluestitch · 22/01/2019 17:53

The judgement of the case is interesting if anybody wants to read it, not least how many professionals were going along blindly with clear emotional abuse, because 'trans'.

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

OrangeJuicy · 22/01/2019 17:25

Also about that case, Mermaids released a statement sticking to the idea that the boy was a trans girl, and challenging the idea the High Court made a banning order against them. Just that the Judge told the mother.. The boy is reported as living happily as a boy with his father:

metro.co.uk/2017/10/08/charity-advised-mum-to-force-her-son-7-to-live-as-a-girl-6984649/

I found the correction
"Mermaids has informed us that it has not been the subject of a court order; rather, it was told by the child’s mother that the judge had said that the child was to have no contact with Mermaids."
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/corrections-and-clarifications-mermaids-transgender-charity-svh8mvm0t

OrangeJuicy · 22/01/2019 17:17

These are just 2 of the dodgy things

""Mermaids recommended a doctor who has now been found guilty of running an illegal sex change clinic and prescribing cross-sex hormones to children who the nhs 'refused ' to 'treat' (why did the nhs refuse? did the nhs not think the child was trans?) as young as 12, which is against the law here"

-correction on "as young as 12, which is against the law here" don't know if this is actually against the law but

"According to NHS England guidance, cross-sex hormones can be prescribed from the age of 16, providing the patient has been on hormone-blocking medication for a year."

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/11/transgender-nhs-doctor-prescribing-sex-hormones-children-uk

Another quote from that article:

"He would have to now wait until 16 to get testosterone. This child has always been a boy, never worn a dress, always played with boys. He was so ready... "

"Never worn a dress" - gosh. How can a doctor even say this...

The guardian claimed "said Webberley, whose practice does not breach any current guidelines or laws."

  • yes it did certainly breach guidelines and must have breached some laws, as she was found guilty of running the illegal clinic:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gp-guilty-of-running-illegal-sex-change-clinic-65xjzcdqr

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gp-gave-child-12-sex-change-drug-qtbqqsthz

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-45767360

And Mermaids previously recommended and linked to this doctors clinic on their website.
They also campaign for lowering the ages of treatment.

And this is the case of the child the judge took from their mother's care because she was apparently trying to trans her child, who is now in their father's care and happy as the boy he was born as. The judge is reported to have said the child shouldn't be in contact with Mermaids. Mermaids complained about this article. Apparently the judge didn't make it an official court order to ban them from contact, he simply said it to the mother...? Can anyone clear this up?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mermaids-uk-charity-ban-as-boy-forced-to-live-as-girl-dvx3j99cn "

Article says the boy was being forced to live as a girl.

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 17:15

I'm loving that cross-dressers were actual Nazis.

Some Nazis were cross dressers NANALT

Of course and to be very clear for the monitors, this is no way suggests that male transpeople be they cross-dressers, transvesites, autogynephiles, drag queens, non-binary, trans femme, transexxuals and/or trans women are Nazis/like Nazis etc

UnicornFarmer · 22/01/2019 16:39

I also like how they won't say the Nazis targeted and murdered homosexual people. Just 'queer'.

nauticant · 22/01/2019 16:36

I'm loving that cross-dressers were actual Nazis. The SJWs will have a fit.

UnicornFarmer · 22/01/2019 16:31

I didn't know that, I was referring to the idea of gender being an innate thing but that made me laugh

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 16:24

Gordon Bennett! Anyway, wasn't Hermann Goering a cross-dresser?

A book was published last year by Martin Dammann following the discovery of a large number of phographs of German Nazi soldiers cross-dressing:

'Cross-dressing among Nazi-era German Wehrmacht soldiers '

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 16:15

Julie Bindel Telegraph
'Not all menstruators are women? This madness has to stop'

concludes:
"The transgender extremists and their supporters peddle some barmy views: that men can get pregnant, for example, and that boys can get periods. We women are told to use certain terms to describe our bodies, such as ”chest feeding”, and ”front hole”, so as not to exclude or offend transgender people.

There is even a view that transgender women (biological men) should be able to breastfeed babies, and a call to refer to pregnant women as “pregnant people”.

Women’s hard-won rights are being eroded by sexist men telling us they understand what it is to be women - and a number of young feminists are swallowing it.

As someone who has long been a target of vicious bullying from the trans lobby, I understand only too well why some young feminists are too scared to challenge this Orwellian madness.

I stand firm in my view that the extreme end of transgender ideology is pure misogyny, promoted for the benefit of men. And I have been accused of ‘hate crime’, 'bigotry' and no-platformed from a number of universities and other public venues by the blue-fringed student brigade.

At the same time, I receive emails and private messages every week from female students and other young women, telling me that they agree with me.

These young women need our help. Women is not an offensive term. We should NEVER be reduced to a bodily function.

Men do not get periods, and neither do trans women. Shouldn’t this be bleeding obvious?"

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/not-menstruators-women-madness-has-stop/

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3486548-Not-all-menstruators-are-women-This-madness-has-to-stop-Julie-Bindel

Freespeecher · 22/01/2019 16:13

Gordon Bennett! Anyway, wasn't Hermann Goering a cross-dresser?

UnicornFarmer · 22/01/2019 16:10

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R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 16:05

May 2018 Guardian article illustrates difference between Transgender Trens and the Mermaids/Allsorts approach:

'Schools pulled into row over helping transgender children'
As more teens come out as trans, experts clash over how schools should help'
(extract)

Schools are supporting increasing numbers of transgender students, using a variety of guidance from the teaching unions and charities such as Mermaids (which has a grant of £35,000 from the Department for Education to deliver training to 35 schools).

This rise is reflected in referrals to the children’s Gender Identity Development Service (Gids), run by the Tavistock and Portman NHS trust, which increased by 1,978% – from 97 in 2009 to 2,016 in 2016-17. Of those children, 70% are biologically female.

Bernadette Wren, a clinical psychologist at Gids, says many young people seen by the service have been bullied or self-harm, and a number are on the autistic spectrum.

Profound disagreement has arisen about what schools should do. Should they, in the words of a widely used toolkit from the Allsorts Youth Project in Brighton, “make visible and celebrate trans people”? Or take the “watchful waiting” approach advocated by the Transgender Trend pack, which warns schools to be “aware of the risk of ‘social contagion’ from celebrity trans internet vloggers who glamorise medical transition”?

Stephanie Davies-Arai, a parenting adviser, launched the Transgender Trend resource pack in February half-term, thinking it would barely get noticed. Instead, she says: “It just blew up”. The LGBT lobby group Stonewall accused Transgender Trend, the organisation Davies-Arai set up two-and-a-half years ago, of spreading “damaging myths, panic and confusion”, and advised local authorities not to use the pack. On Twitter, people piled in, with one describing the pack (which had been checked by lawyers) as a “modern edition of Mein Kampf”.

Davies-Arai says she took an interest in the subject because as a child she had felt herself to be a boy, and she didn’t think it was a good idea to label children like her as transgender because she believes that in some cases, these feelings resolve naturally by the end of adolescence.

While the Allsorts advice states that “trans pupils or students should have access to the changing room that corresponds to their gender identity” and that in PE lessons, students “should be enabled to participate in the activity which corresponds to their gender identity if this is what they request”, Davies-Arai argues that shared changing rooms present difficulties for some girls. Few teenage girls will be willing to admit that they feel uncomfortable sharing a changing room with a biologically male student, she says.

She points out that the technical guidance on the Equality Act for schools suggests offering students “private changing facilities, such as the staff changing room or another suitable space” – the approach taken at Miles’s school.

Susie Green, CEO of the charity Mermaids, disagrees, saying the debate about single-sex toilets seems “engineered to whip up fear” and is equivalent to “arguing people of colour shouldn’t be allowed to use the same toilets as white people in case they make them dirty”. (continues)

Davies-Arai says her broader concern is that by affirming students’ gender identity, schools may be nudging them down a route that can lead to cross-sex hormones and life-changing surgery without enough time to reflect. Teachers, she says, “are essentially being forced to collude in an experimental approach towards children with gender dysphoria”. She adds: “You can support children and accept them, without affirming their belief that their body is ‘wrong’.”

Adele Robinson (not her real name), a head of year at a secondary school, shares Davies-Arai’s worries. The school has had 12 children, all girls, come out as transgender in the past 18 months. The majority, she says, have autism, and some have experienced sexual abuse.

When they come out, she says, they have brought in information sourced from Tumblr blogs and YouTube videos. Although her team does its best to “support every child in a loving, kind and compassionate way”, she feels that staff are too frightened to challenge what she sees as harmful practices: “We have chest binders worn in school, which is horrible. If a child was cutting, they would be straight in with a counsellor. Yet damaging developing breast tissue goes unquestioned. It’s a gross failure in terms of child protection.”

Green disagrees, and argues for a biological underpinning to transgender identity: “If a child or young person consistently, insistently and persistently states their feelings, to ignore, punish or repress their gender identity would effectively be reparative therapy.” (continues)
www.theguardian.com/education/2018/may/15/transgender-row-teachers-afraid-challenge-breast-binding

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/01/2019 16:01

No Lib Dems on Harvie's proposal?

That surprises me - their LGBT lot say that 50% male and 50% TW in parliament would mean equality.

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 15:57

link to Transgender Trend as recommended in Peach Yoghurt's video:

www.transgendertrend.com/

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 15:50

Peach Yoghurt
'Parents, don't let them label your child transgender!'

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 15:49

Peach Yoghurt
'These "tomboys" became strong women!'