Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices

They won’t because mens feelings trumps womens.

I'm losing track - is this the third tweet? And they still can't bring themselves to say, 'Sorry, women, we fucked up.'

"lived experience of cis women" indeed.

My identity is human thank you very much. The difference between me and somebody who identifies as 'non-binary' is that I'm not under the impression that anybody else fits neatly into a gender box.

However none of that has anything to do with whether I have periods which is a consequence of one thing - female biology.

It's notable that Women's March London, while knowing nothing about the identity of any of these MPs, was able to confidently assert that it is likely that they had menstruated based on the observation that they are adult human females.

Forget to be woke for a minute and reality reasserts itself.

It's incredible how in one tweet with limited characters, they were able to use THREE insulting terms (cis / AFAB / menstruators) when simply saying "women" in the first place would have solved all their problems (other than their made up problem of how to include transwomen in a discussion on tampon tax)

September 2018 James Morton''s comments at the TRA conference 'We're Still Here' organised by Jane Fae:

OP TheHarpySings wrote:
(extract)
"6) GETTING THE GRA WE WANT

This was a workshop with 3 experts sitting with groups and talking through activism. They were:

Helen Belcher (Lib Dems, Trans Media Watch)
James Morton (Scottish Transgender Alliance)
Alex Moore (GenderJam). Moore is from N Ireland.

James Morton gave some insight into tactics the TRAs will probably start using in England and Wales as they were successful in Scotland.

He said the TRAs need to build allies in mainstream women and children’s organisations so it looks like they care about them.

He also said what worked in Scotland's was a “constructive, friendly, innocent” tone when debating or in dialogue with the GC side. To be mindful about who is watching- essentially like what we do with the lurkers on the FWR board. To make the TRAs look like the reasonable side.

James also said that in dialect with elected officials, to clarify that the trans side aren’t silencing anyone but want to clarify the misconceptions being bandied around by GC feminists.

The Scottish GRA changes will probably be put forward in the 2019-2020 parliamentary year.

Belcher has been meeting with MPs and members of the House of Lords. Most of them don’t really understand the GRA and don’t have much time to think about it thanks to the Brexit FUBAR. “Education” of law makers is needed and that’s what Belcher is doing.

Apparently the TRAs lack the infrastructure they had in the 1990s and early 2000s so they need to think carefully and coordinate.

Belcher said to re-iterate to MPs that the EA2010 is not being affected and no one is losing any rights (wtf).

Apparently in terms of political support, the Tories are split about 50/50, Labour, Lib Dem's and SNP are all onside. The Greens were NOT mentioned.

The big fear on the TRA side is that this Government won’t survive long enough to get this through- again because Brexit.

According to Alex Moore, Arlene Foster of the DUP went to a Pink News event and didn’t seem to know much about this. In NI no one really cares about the trans issues because everyone is focused on same sex marriage and abortion.

Alex then moaned about the Together for Yes campaign’s transmisogyny and that the campaign completely erased the experiences of trans and NB people who need abortions. Alex would like a legal change of gender to be free of charge and as easy as changing your name.

Helen Belcher was annoyed at GC feminists using “emotive arguments” regards rape.

HB said that the pile ons pro self-ID MPs get from the GC side if they say something supportive of the trans side are not helping the GC cause. Maria Miller told Belcher that MPs got loads of abuse in the run up to marriage equality and that abusive messages, tweets from GC feminists will only harden MPs against the GC side.

HB also said something snide about “mouthy” female Labour MPs who speak before thinking on Twitter- especially on a Friday or Saturday night after they’ve had a few drinks.

Apparently the TRAs have civil service support and that the Stonewall report and Gov survey are strong bits of evidence they have which is helping them win arguments.

They are saying there is no risk to reforming the GRA and are asking MPs “what is the risk?”

In the group I was in they also talked about how changing your gender multiple times should be allowed and shouldn’t be seen as “bad intentions”.

James Morton talked about how they can get rid of “gender” markers on things like IT systems and places where it isn’t relevant- apparently GDPR might be able to help them here.

JM’s campaigning tips were to gain trust in the local community- and to approach moderate feminists, “correct misconceptions and forgive any ignorance they may have displayed”. They want to gain trust and make themselves likeable.

Apparently small acts like helping to campaign about period poverty or retweeting the local branch of Women’s Aid will make a difference and result in some reciprocation. They want to make it look like they care about Women's issues so they don’t appear threatening" (continues)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

Dawn Butler gave the keynote speech (see thread for report)
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dawn-butler-transgender-uk-labour-intersectionality-rights-a8534761.html

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers

If womensmarchlondon really thought language mattered they would be able to define 'woman'. Considering they have 'woman' in their name and all...

twitter.com/Sorrelish/status/1087325725479391233?s=20

"At this stage in the trans debate it's case of saying something nice or nothing at all"

Handmaiden guilt trips and ticks off Ronson.

Statement.

Its extraordinary that they claim how language matters without any realisation of TRAs manipulation by language they are complicit with.

As he said, "Whats true is that we are clever and stupid"

Maybe he will now reflect and become appraised of the bigger picture.
A lot of people haven't thought about things.

His self-preservation of deleting when he sees he's out of step with the orthodoxy in a discussion that has a gender identity aspect.

I agree with Ronson's conclusion.

Not sure what his 'cowardice' is though?

That is an awesomely apt quote R0wantrees. The last sentence sums up Ronson's cowardice so well.

2015 TedTalk
Jon Ronson: 'How to Ruin Your Life with One Tweet'
concludes
"maybe there are two people in the world, those people who favour humans over ideology and those people who favour ideology over humans. I favour humans over ideology but right now the ideologues are winning and they are creating a stage for constant articial high dramas where everyone is either a magnificent hero or a sickening villain. Even though we know that's not true of our fellow humans. Whats true is that we are clever and stupid. Whats true is that we are grey areas. The great thing about Social Media was how it gave a voice to the voiceless people but we are now creating a surveillance society where the smartest way to survive isto go back to being voiceless.

Lets not do that"

And now a "let's rephrase our clearly wrong statement so it's incomprehensible" non-apology:

twitter.com/womensmarchlon/status/1087317471722438658

And all he did was joke around about calling some superhero flick 'the ejaculators'.

Dear me, Jon Ronson:
Ok. I was feeling a little silly and giddy last night and didn’t realize I was leaping into a minefield so I will delete that tweet.
What a wuss.
Thankfully some men have a little more backbone.

They're talking in religious terms again.

Serve?

Well, istn't that the womanly thing to do?

This is instructive and very unsurprising:

twitter.com/jonronson/status/1087317049418924032

Serve?

The responses to their tweets are (entirely justifiably) brutal:

It blows my mind that they don't seem to think Jewish women are women, but they think men are women.

If Munroe is serious about wanting to be treated like a woman then I suggest they offer to serve up tea and cakes on the next march.

Still no idea why anyone gives that sanctimonious vacuous narc the time of day tbh...oh wait, they tell actual women what to do so of course they are lauded.

They have now pinned a longer statement on twitter. Including 'cis women', again.
And they want a space where all women can love, serve and protect each other. (I guess that is a typo and 'each other' should read 'trans women'.)

No just no. It was supposed to be a women’s march. Any self aware person - not born a woman - would just not take centre stage to tell women what’s what. Any sensible woman wouldn’t ask them to in the first place.

Women have issues today that need addressing that transwomen just won’t ever understand. Sexual harassment at school, low achievement expectations as a child (yes even these days), periods, pregnancy, miscarriage, menopause... these is so much work to do for women. Why get the non-women on board? They only divide.