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Binglebong · 18/01/2019 18:51

A while ago I complained about a very unequal article on the BBC. The excellent posters in here helped me reply to their answer (sorry can't find that thread.) Ivd now had a reply to my reply.

Thank you for writing again and please accept our apologies that it has taken us so long to respond.

The report set out some of the background to the debate and views on both sides. It was made clear that views are very strongly held and the debate is divided and bitter at times.

We think it is reasonable to describe the occasions where those with different views have confronted each other publicly as ‘clashes’. It was not attempt to apportion blame but to indicate to viewers that there are strong differences of opinion and as the footage showed, on occasion the police have intervened. Nicola Williams was interviewed in connection with her role for Fair Play for Women and not in connection with her research work, and her caption made clear her interest to viewers.

If you are still dissatisfied, you can contact the BBC’s Executive Complaints Unit (ECU). The ECU is stage 2 of the BBC’s complaints process. Details of the BBC complaints process are available atwww.bbc.co.uk/complaints/handle-complaint/where you can read the BBC’s full complaints framework.

If you wish to contact the ECU please write to it directly within 20 working days of receiving this reply. Please explain to it why you believe there may have been a potential breach of standards or other significant issue for it to investigate. You can [email protected], or write to: Executive Complaints Unit, BBC, Broadcast Centre, London W12 7TQ. Please include the case reference number we have provided in this reply.

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PencilsInSpace · 19/01/2019 14:33

So basically they have shown footage of three male people attacking a woman with the voice over saying 'Those with opposing views have clashed'.

PencilsInSpace · 19/01/2019 14:21

Full transcript:

Presenter: But the trans debate has become a bitter and divided one between those who want to self identify as a man or a woman, without the involvement of a doctor and without the two year delay, and those who believe this is a threat to groups and spaces that have been women only.

Voice-over (same presenter): At parliament Nicola Williams has been lobbying MPs, worried about the impact the changes could have on other women.

NW: The consultation's been quite unfair I think. Women have been basically smeared and shamed and silenced. If any man can simply declare that he is female and given access to women's rights and women's spaces then that takes away the ability for women to say, 'no, I have a boundary there.'

[SPEAKERS CORNER FOOTAGE]

Voice-over: Those with opposing views have clashed - Hyde Park last year ...

[BRISTOL JAMJAR FOOTAGE]

VO: ... Bristol this year. The government insists there are no plans to change women only spaces, but even an MP who backs reform thinks questions about the impact on women's refuges and prisons must be discussed.

[END OF JAMJAR FOOTAGE]

Jess Phillips: I've spoken to lots of women MPs who feel that if they say anything they're going to be called names, or said that they're a transphobe. But that has not been helpful at all because they are perfectly reasonable questions.

VO: The prime minister, in a video for an award ceremony for the LGBT community last night, indicated change is likely.

Theresa May: ... and the thousands of responses we've received so far show there's a real desire for reform.

VO: Charlie Martin [sp?] says that she just wants the same rights as everyone else. Lucy Manning, BBC news.

PencilsInSpace · 19/01/2019 13:58

Good find Ereshkigal.

It's also worth stressing that women had not gone to either of the venues to demonstrate or to counterdemonstrate but simply to attend meetings.

Keep an eye on time limits, you have 20 working days to respond. If you got it yesterday I make that 15 Feb.

Ereshkigal · 19/01/2019 12:05

This was a really good suggestion from the other thread from Fermat, OP:

Might be worth seeing if you can dig out how the BBC covered Charlottesville and Trump's appalling "violence on both sides" crap. If they had any op-eds showing that they'd drawn attention to Trump's egregious use of false equivalence, send this to them as a follow-up and ask why they're not applying the same editorial standards to their coverage of trans issues and physical violence by trans activists versus no violence whatsoever by GC feminsts.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40948812

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-40952796/what-trump-said-versus-what-i-saw

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40915569

All stop short of actually condemning what he said, but the disapproval is clear.

Binglebong · 19/01/2019 11:40

Your link at 21.46 was right Pencils. Wht could I find it on search?!

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Binglebong · 19/01/2019 11:31

I'm happy to escalate - can someone help me write it? I have too much brain fog at the moment to be coherent. Thank you.

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ChickenonaMug · 18/01/2019 22:22

I think that this must be the report.

PencilsInSpace · 18/01/2019 22:09

This is the final stage of the BBC complaints procedure. If you're not satisfied with the response to your next reply you get to go to the Ombudsman - i.e. someone outside the BBC looks at it.

PencilsInSpace · 18/01/2019 21:58

Nicola Williams was interviewed in connection with her role for Fair Play for Women and not in connection with her research work

Dr Nic does research for Fair Play For Women. That is a huge part of her role.

Not sure how far it's worth pushing this point. I can't remember the original broadcast, were there other interviewees who were given their correct academic titles?

scotsheather · 18/01/2019 21:44

Presenting 1 sided 'clashes' as balanced is as unbalanced reporting as it gets. In denial as usual.

PencilsInSpace · 18/01/2019 21:42

I think I remember your thread. If you have the energy and time please escalate again. We need to get this, and similar complaints, in front of an ombudsman.

It was a BBC report, I cant remember exactly

Find your original complaint if you can, and the report you complained about. It's important to stick to the original points you made and keep referring to the specific broadcast.

If it's the thread about the footage I am thinking of ...

We think it is reasonable to describe the occasions where those with different views have confronted each other publicly as ‘clashes’.

Feminists have never sought to publicly 'confront' trans activists so there are no occasions that could fairly be described as 'clashes'.

Transactivists have hit feminists in an attempt to stop them meeting to discuss their own rights.

as the footage showed, on occasion the police have intervened

The police were called because trans activists were hitting a woman. The police investigated and one of the activists was caught and convicted of assault.

R0wantrees · 18/01/2019 21:36

It may be linked here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here

Binglebong · 18/01/2019 20:47

It was a BBC report, I cant remember exactly. Lots of TRA being very nasty while saying both sides, very biased.

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ChickenonaMug · 18/01/2019 20:11

Which article was it that you were complaining about, if you don't mind saying?

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